KenB
Well-known member
I know fesque is the best grass to stock pile, but how good would Bahia or common bermuda be to stock pile?
Since Bahia and common Bermuda goes dormant after first frost. stockpiling is not an option. Bahia even fresh like Tift 9 is pathetic grazing after July 1 with very high lignin and very low CP. Dormant bahia and bermuda has CP equivalent to wheat straw with a TDN of 45% on a good day so your feed quality here would be:KenB":3r8fnsrb said:I know fesque is the best grass to stock pile, but how good would Bahia or common bermuda be to stock pile?
In the link start reading at page 4, it covers the warm season grasses and stockpilingKenB":457hrex5 said:I know fesque is the best grass to stock pile, but how good would Bahia or common bermuda be to stock pile?
dun":dak40rha said:In the link start reading at page 4, it covers the warm season grasses and stockpilingKenB":dak40rha said:I know fesque is the best grass to stock pile, but how good would Bahia or common bermuda be to stock pile?
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=60168&p=698322#p698322
Need to shhare some information with you:edrsimms":eeplain2 said:Since Bahia and common Bermuda goes dormant after first frost. stockpiling is not an option. Bahia even fresh like Tift 9 is pathetic grazing after July 1 with very high lignin and very low CP. Dormant bahia and bermuda has CP equivalent to wheat straw with a TDN of 45% on a good day so your feed quality here would be:KenB":eeplain2 said:I know fesque is the best grass to stock pile, but how good would Bahia or common bermuda be to stock pile?
0.03 x 0.45 = 0.014, so if a 1200 lb cow needs 2.25 lbs TP at fall calving and ate 2.5 % of body weight she would be getting = 30 lbs x 0.014 (feed value of bahia/bermuda) which is 0.42 lbs TP looks like you may be a tad short Plant some rye for grazing
Ed
BC":3c7tesxv said:Need to shhare some information with you:edrsimms":3c7tesxv said:Since Bahia and common Bermuda goes dormant after first frost. stockpiling is not an option. Bahia even fresh like Tift 9 is pathetic grazing after July 1 with very high lignin and very low CP. Dormant bahia and bermuda has CP equivalent to wheat straw with a TDN of 45% on a good day so your feed quality here would be:KenB":3c7tesxv said:I know fesque is the best grass to stock pile, but how good would Bahia or common bermuda be to stock pile?
0.03 x 0.45 = 0.014, so if a 1200 lb cow needs 2.25 lbs TP at fall calving and ate 2.5 % of body weight she would be getting = 30 lbs x 0.014 (feed value of bahia/bermuda) which is 0.42 lbs TP looks like you may be a tad short Plant some rye for grazing
Ed
http://forages.tamu.edu/PDF/SCS%202006% ... agrass.pdf
Bermuda and bahia can be sucessfully stockpiled. Those of us in the south that have this type of grass just have to learn that there are ways to keep quality up by keeping grass young and vegetative. MIG works well for spring and summer. Fertilize in the early fall with nitrogen and defer grazing until after frost works.
No rank bahia or bermuda <50% TDN will meet nutritional requirements for even dry cowsBC":1z1g9b94 said:edrsimms":1z1g9b94 said:Since Bahia and common Bermuda goes dormant after first frost. stockpiling is not an option. Bahia even fresh like Tift 9 is pathetic grazing after July 1 with very high lignin and very low CP. Dormant bahia and bermuda has CP equivalent to wheat straw with a TDN of 45% on a good day.KenB":1z1g9b94 said:I know fesque is the best grass to stock pile, but how good would Bahia or common bermuda be to stock pile?
" This protocol is designed to provide stockpiled bermudagrass that will provide 8-14% crude protein and >50% TDN..... you must not get a frost until January lol.
Bermuda and bahia can be sucessfully stockpiled. Those of us in the south that have this type of grass just have to learn that there are ways to keep quality up by keeping grass young and vegetative. MIG works well for spring and summer. Fertilize in the early fall with nitrogen and defer grazing until after frost works.
Red Bull Breeder":tunqd63v said:Might need some better cows ed. Them hard keeping protein addicted cattle might need a little something else.
Red Bull Breeder":16qvgxo0 said:Might need some better cows ed. Them hard keeping protein addicted cattle might need a little something else.
Caustic, how does your Bahia/common Bermuda stockpiling system work? Do you supplement with range cubes or molasses blocks? How long does it usually last?Caustic Burno":1qb4b0i5 said:Red Bull Breeder":1qb4b0i5 said:Might need some better cows ed. Them hard keeping protein addicted cattle might need a little something else.
I agree on better cows cause all mine get are stockpiled bahia and bermuda along with sorry Bahia hay.
As a good friend of mine once put it If my cows can't stay fat and produce on my grass and hay I am changing the cow not the grass.
What is range meal,is that anything like range cubes? Would feeding about 3 pounds of 20% range cubes per momma cow be a close substitute for range meal?Caustic Burno":j6rj37l7 said:I supplement some range meal from the time night time temp's get below 60 till all the pasture's are cleaned up.
This usually reduce's my hay consumption from 4 bales a winter to 3. Another advantage is the bahia comes back earlier in the spring as it doesn't have to fight through the winter mat.
Similar but different. It's loose, and anywhere from 15% protein up to 25%. Got grain products, ground roughage, a little molasses and about 25% salt as well as whatever trace elements your supplier adds with it. Looks like it has some csm in it too. I feed a little right now instead of cubes just to keep em coming in to the pen area. They'll only eat about 1 lb per day right now, but If I decide to feed it this winter, they'll increase that consumption up to 2 1/2--maybe 3 lbs per day. Most range meal has a lot of salt-it's a limiter. 2:1 or 3:1 salt to feed ratio. You'll need a bulk or bunk feeder of some kind--probably build one yourself.Post Oak":2c72r46z said:What is range meal,is that anything like range cubes? Would feeding about 3 pounds of 20% range cubes per momma cow be a close substitute for range meal?Caustic Burno":2c72r46z said:I supplement some range meal from the time night time temp's get below 60 till all the pasture's are cleaned up.
This usually reduce's my hay consumption from 4 bales a winter to 3. Another advantage is the bahia comes back earlier in the spring as it doesn't have to fight through the winter mat.
Post Oak":12f7gl6k said:What is range meal,is that anything like range cubes? Would feeding about 3 pounds of 20% range cubes per momma cow be a close substitute for range meal?Caustic Burno":12f7gl6k said:I supplement some range meal from the time night time temp's get below 60 till all the pasture's are cleaned up.
This usually reduce's my hay consumption from 4 bales a winter to 3. Another advantage is the bahia comes back earlier in the spring as it doesn't have to fight through the winter mat.