So ashamed. I forgot all about Earth Day.

[TexasBred]

The way I see it is that the irresponsibility of some leads to the overregulation of everyone.. Logging, Mining, Farming, Fishing, you name it.. it's the corporate culture of maximizing profits above all else until someone comes along and lays down the law, usually in an overbearing fashion.. If logging companies didn't need to replant what they logged they certainly wouldn't, and unfortunately, if some people weren't told not to drain the engine oil next to a creek, they would.

This is not always correct. I know that here Weyerhauser has very big nurseries growing hundreds of thousands seedling every year for planting their logged over ground decades before there was a law requiring them to plant. It made good business sense.

Some do, some don't.. nevertheless, the ones that don't spoil it for the ones who are responsible and clean up (or prevent) the messes in the first place

Must be a Canadian thing. I'd guess 99% of clear cuts down here are replanted immediately once finished with harvesting.

 

[Nesikep]

Does the law have anything to do with that? They are here too.. NOW.. not in the first 3/4 of the 1900's though
I'm using this as an example.. PETA, et al wouldn't have a leg to stand on if there weren't SOME bad eggs in our industry that make our life harder

 

[Jogeephus]

Does the law have anything to do with that? They are here too.. NOW.. not in the first 3/4 of the 1900's though
I'm using this as an example.. PETA, et al wouldn't have a leg to stand on if there weren't SOME bad eggs in our industry that make our life harder

No laws that I know of. Its private property and if you want to pay taxes growing bushes then that's your right. Several years ago one of the environmental groups were soliciting money by showing pictures of the Mt. St. Helen's aftermath blaming all the downed timber on the logging industry. One of my friends confronted the speaker after his speech and they guy admitted doing this but laughed and said, "just look at the money we collected".

IMO, the biggest threat to forests on private lands is the government and the death tax that forces people to clearcut their trees.

 

[Boot Jack Bulls]

Major side note here, but the founder of Earth day, Gaylord Nelson was born in my hometown. The elementary school still bears his name and his childhood home still stands in town. I actually met him when I was a senior. All politics aside, he was a very pleasant man, who truly cared about the people of his hometown. As you can imagine, Earth Day is a big deal in our town. It is a great excuse to get students of all ages out of the school, doing something worthy. They pick up trash, clean up yards of the elderly, paint buildings, plant flowers for main street, build park benches and picnic tables, clean up the various parks and public areas, ect. They make it less about the political aspect, and more about getting out and doing something to better your community.

 

[Bright Raven]

Major side note here, but the founder of Earth day, Gaylord Nelson was born in my hometown. The elementary school still bears his name and his childhood home still stands in town. I actually met him when I was a senior. All politics aside, he was a very pleasant man, who truly cared about the people of his hometown. As you can imagine, Earth Day is a big deal in our town. It is a great excuse to get students of all ages out of the school, doing something worthy. They pick up trash, clean up yards of the elderly, paint buildings, plant flowers for main street, build park benches and picnic tables, clean up the various parks and public areas, ect. They make it less about the political aspect, and more about getting out and doing something to better your community.

Its refreshing to see the positive accentuated. Thanks.

 

[Nesikep]

Does the law have anything to do with that? They are here too.. NOW.. not in the first 3/4 of the 1900's though
I'm using this as an example.. PETA, et al wouldn't have a leg to stand on if there weren't SOME bad eggs in our industry that make our life harder

No laws that I know of. Its private property and if you want to pay taxes growing bushes then that's your right. Several years ago one of the environmental groups were soliciting money by showing pictures of the Mt. St. Helen's aftermath blaming all the downed timber on the logging industry. One of my friends confronted the speaker after his speech and they guy admitted doing this but laughed and said, "just look at the money we collected".

IMO, the biggest threat to forests on private lands is the government and the death tax that forces people to clearcut their trees.

Around here 99% of logging is done on federal land, so it's quite different.

 

[Dave]

All of the big timber companies were doing some form of replanting by the early 50's. Before that there was so much timber land that they thought they would never log it all. Small short sighted landowners might not have replanted but that is a very small portion of the land logged. No logging on federal land here. The spotted owl shut that down.

 

[Jogeephus]

Around here you can always tell when someone's farm will be for sale in the future by whether or not they replant their trees. No one can make money growing bushes.

 

[Anonymous]

In almost every industry that uses natural resource,(or uses land or sea in the production of resources) less producers are forced to produce more products. The less people involved in production of resources, the more demonized the process of production becomes. Examples: commercial fishing, oil production, timber, cattle. The more its demonized, the more production is centralized because undue rules and regulations are implemented to make the population "feel good". The rules and regulation forces out smaller less efficient businesses. The more centralized production becomes, the more dependent society becomes. Fewer producers and more consumers seems a recipe for disaster to me. There is an extreme disconnect in our society on where the basic products that make every day life possible come from.

 

[HDRider]

Jo stated:

...we need to use common sense and employ benefit cost analysis to things rather than do the typical knee jerk reactions our politicians typically do. To spend $5 million on figuring out the most environmentally friendly way to melt bags of ice in Louisiana after Katrina is just plain stupid and whether you are right or left every taxpayer should be outraged at this nonsense.

Not being facetious, but what is common sense to one person is a stupid act of incompetence to another. I have been involved in cases where the regulated party thought building a sedimentation pond was not an act of "common sense". Not everyone thinks a power plant is more important than a minnow. That is a fact Jack.

The world is never exactly what anyone wants it to be. We all live with that. One party wants to go North. The other party wants to go South. We all end up going east and west.

Cattle Today has a culture. I don't think I am unique in observing that. It is largely a Christian Conservative Culture. Yes, I have said that at least 5 times before this. Imagine if you will that the whole world is NOT a Christian Conservative Culture. Imagine that there are people who "sincerely" value a minnow or a rare orchid more than a power plant. To the culture of CT, they are "stupid idiots without common sense". So be it. Call them what ever strikes your fancy. The question is this: does your label for them change anything?

Imagine, if you will, if it was...

 

[Bright Raven]

Jo stated:

...we need to use common sense and employ benefit cost analysis to things rather than do the typical knee jerk reactions our politicians typically do. To spend $5 million on figuring out the most environmentally friendly way to melt bags of ice in Louisiana after Katrina is just plain stupid and whether you are right or left every taxpayer should be outraged at this nonsense.

Not being facetious, but what is common sense to one person is a stupid act of incompetence to another. I have been involved in cases where the regulated party thought building a sedimentation pond was not an act of "common sense". Not everyone thinks a power plant is more important than a minnow. That is a fact Jack.

The world is never exactly what anyone wants it to be. We all live with that. One party wants to go North. The other party wants to go South. We all end up going east and west.

Cattle Today has a culture. I don't think I am unique in observing that. It is largely a Christian Conservative Culture. Yes, I have said that at least 5 times before this. Imagine if you will that the whole world is NOT a Christian Conservative Culture. Imagine that there are people who "sincerely" value a minnow or a rare orchid more than a power plant. To the culture of CT, they are "stupid idiots without common sense". So be it. Call them what ever strikes your fancy. The question is this: does your label for them change anything?

Imagine, if you will, if it was...

HD, I don't think we could stand that many whiners. Before you doubt those words, take into consideration that over 50 % of the posts here not related to cattle are whining about something.

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

I value a power plant over a minnow.

 

[True Grit Farms]

A minnow is good bait.

 

[john250]

I value a power plant over a minnow.

+++++

 

[john250]

I watched a lot of "earth day"/"science day" on TV. It was mostly a Bernie Sanders/socialism promo. If I can still vote, I'll vote against that. Stalin went after the farmers first. We, in this biz should never forget that. Communism kills.