Sermon for Today

[SPRINGER FARMS MURRAY GRE]

I feel that unions have been a necessary evil in the past.I feel that they are socialistic in nature and they have priced their members out of a job.They are never satisfied with what they have, they have to continually squeeze the corporations for more benfits to justify their jobs with the union. All this does is make the prices go up for the rest of us because the added costs are passed on to the consumer. My two kubota tractors have stickers on them that say "Made in the USA". Maybe it is just hype...who knows? ;-) :cboy: :shock:

 

[Texan]

It's really hard to believe that my good friend Caustic Burno, the supposedly rugged, crusty and outspoken symbol of independence to many on these Boards, is a spokesman for labor unions. Unbelievable.

I think organized labor is one of the greatest impediments to free enterprise in this country. Socialism and extortion at it's worst. If anyone is really concerned about corporations moving overseas, they need only look to tax-and-regulate bureaucrats, lawyers and labor for much of the reason.

Unfreakingbelievable.

 

[certherfbeef]

It's really hard to believe that my good friend Caustic Burno, the supposedly rugged, crusty and outspoken symbol of independence to many on these Boards, is a spokesman for labor unions. Unbelievable.

I'm with ya on this one Texan. I've read this thread 4 times now, thinking each time that I mis read his posts. :shock:

Unfreakingbelievable.

you can say that again.

Unfreakingbelievable.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Yes I do believe in Unions are a nessacary evil but if you had read the thread it wasn't about Unions it was about supporting countries that are selling the American public products paid for in American blood and money. I had an uncle at Pearl, a Father in the North Atlantic fighting the Wolf Pack an Uncle at Iwo Jima, Guam and at Normandy. I guess its all right to forgive them for the thousands of Americans that died and the billions of dollars we pumped into their countries to turn around and keep supporting them.

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

Need to take a serious look around your place Caustic. Name the items you own that are 100% American made with no components for any foreign supplier. Hard to do today. ;-) I do not choose to buy foreign made goods but they are shoved down our throats by the money grubbing companies that hire CHEAP FOREIGN LABOR.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Need to take a serious look around your place Caustic. Name the items you own that are 100% American made with no components for any foreign supplier. Hard to do today. ;-) I do not choose to buy foreign made goods but they are shoved down our throats by the money grubbing companies that hire CHEAP FOREIGN LABOR.

I know what is on my place.

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

Yup and it aint ALL 100% American made is it :?:

 

[flaboy+]

I skimmed this thread and didn't read everyone's post but here are my thoughts on this.

In 1982 I was making about $15/hour (maybe) with college. At the same time the average bumper bolter was making $32/hour without college.

In 1985 I was making maybe $18-$20/hour and the average baggage handler was making $33/hour.

Both had better benefits due to the union agreements. A couple years ago I was talking to a guy from Detroit who installed batteries in cars on the line and he was complaining that he only made $52/hour.

Sorry, I have a hard time feeling sorry for these folks. I was a member of the IBEW at one time in my career. I left to look for a non-union job because I was being passed over for promotion for guy's who not only did not know their job they didn't do their job. They were protected by the union. They got promoted and us younger smarter upstarts did their work for them and we were first on the layoff lists.

Naw they made their choice. They will have to live with it. All I require is good quality not just a high price.

Sounds like you are a little jealous because you have a degree doesn't make you smarter or a better worker it says you had different opportunities. I found the guys that usually made statements like yours on the job site are the one's you would like to buy them for what they are worth and sell them for what they think they are worth.

Well Caustic you are entitled to your opinion. I didn't ask you for it though. No, I wasn't jealous. I just knew I could not work in that environment so I went off to a job where I did not have to feel guilty for receiving a paycheck unlike your union friends. That is IF they have a conscience.

 

[Rookie]

Until one be of an understandin of the principals of Mind Control, which has been used on the American population for the better piece of the last 100 years, {especially since the Devil's Window popped up in nearly every household in the country}, along with the proper application of the Hegelian Dialectic by the controllers, one has not a chance of understandin what be really happenin here in our country.

george

 

[mwj]

Everyone looks at the high cost of ''american'' labor but fail to mention the worlds highest productivity that it provides :shock: Kind of like buying a new bull, do you go with the lowest price and rule out everything else in the decision making :cboy:

 

[Texan]

Kind of like buying a new bull, do you go with the lowest price and rule out everything else in the decision making :cboy:

The American consumer has proven repeatedly that's exactly what they'll do. All we have to do is look at the success of Wal-Mart to tell us that M-COOL is a waste of money.

 

[mwj]

Texan would you care to coment on the productivity of american labor versus there cost or wage.

 

[Texan]

Texan would you care to coment on the productivity of american labor versus there cost or wage.

No, I don't mind commenting. I think many American workers are overpaid. Many of them couldn't do an honest, hard days work if their life depended on it. Take away our technology, and the productivity of those workers sucks. That's my comment.

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

When a person sits in the General Motors plant in Michigan and gets about $52.00 an hour(union labor) to install a battery in a vehicle and that is all the person does,you tell me if that is productive cost effective American labor.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Yeah that like all of these fine upstanding companies were worried about worker safety. For years having workers work in benzene, asbesto's carbontetrachloride enviroments and not warning the workers of known carcinigens. Wifes catching the same cancers from washing their husbands clothes. Dads going to work ate up with lukiemia from benzene enviroments because they had no sick leave. The working conditions today were not provided out of the goodness of the company hearts it was because they were forced to.

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

And there are regulatory agencies today to enforce worker safety. Don't need unions to do that.As I said before unions had there place and were needed in a darker America years ago but not today. I still maintain that the price of union labor is one factor in the prices of American goods.Again the American automobile is a prime example. And again I DO NOT advocate buying FOREIGN as a solution.

 

[Campground Cattle]

Mahoney you have no idea what your talking about in a major event where many lives were lost last year Osha fine the company 95,000 dollars bet that scared them to death.I started as a laborer in a major oil refinery and will more than likely die of a Benzene related illness. I rose through several jobs to be a relief Site director in charge of the facality. We were never warned about benzene the Union pushed to get laws on the books that now protect us from these work conditions. The company had to open up our medical records and it wasn't pretty what some of us found.

PS Iforgot to mention the lead as I watched my neighbor's body turn into a rock , from working on leaking lines. As he was dying he had a calender lying by his bed and ever day I went over he would have me mark off the day he had to live to so his wife would get his retirement. He made it by a week had he not his wife would have been left with nothing after 25 years of service.

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

I regret people in a situation like yours had to endure those conditions to make a living. I am sure the horror stories go on and on in any occupation but don't tell me the unions were or are the salvation of those workers. What you are telling me then is that the only safe place to work is in a union led shop?

 

[Campground Cattle]

If it hadn't been for the Union pushing congress the non union places wouldn't have the safety regulations we have today.

 

[johndeerefarmer]

We are the enemy here, after some research JD is building the 5000 series in Ga. Kioti has an assembly plant in NC that was the only two facilities I could locate in the USA.

Also, I am not sure if I am reading this sentence correctly? Are you talking about ag equipment plants only?

Tractors assembled in the USA.

Your info's not right.....

Cat Challenger's are made in Jackson, Minn

CaseIH Farmall in Georgia
Steigers in N.D.
Some NH's in Georgia
ALL of JD's larger series (7000 series and up) are made in Waterloo, Iowa