Jeanne - Simme Valley
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Line breeding - meaning the sire is breeding his daughters?
thats what linebreeding means Jeanne.Jeanne - Simme Valley":3ezma047 said:Line breeding - meaning the sire is breeding his daughters?
No it doesn't, and Jeanne doesn't need any help from another village idiot.ddd75":wytmi8k3 said:thats what linebreeding means Jeanne.Jeanne - Simme Valley":wytmi8k3 said:Line breeding - meaning the sire is breeding his daughters?
Let me know if you need anymore help with anything.
True Grit Farms":11b8w3gc said:No it doesn't, and Jeanne doesn't need any help from another village idiot.ddd75":11b8w3gc said:thats what linebreeding means Jeanne.Jeanne - Simme Valley":11b8w3gc said:Line breeding - meaning the sire is breeding his daughters?
Let me know if you need anymore help with anything.
https://onpasture.com/2014/10/20/breedi ... -breeding/ddd75":1kp7ymug said:True Grit Farms":1kp7ymug said:No it doesn't, and Jeanne doesn't need any help from another village idiot.ddd75":1kp7ymug said:thats what linebreeding means Jeanne.
Let me know if you need anymore help with anything.
oh ok.. :lol2:
Whats it mean then?
True Grit Farms":1hzargfg said:https://onpasture.com/2014/10/20/breedi ... -breeding/ddd75":1hzargfg said:True Grit Farms":1hzargfg said:No it doesn't, and Jeanne doesn't need any help from another village idiot.
oh ok.. :lol2:
Whats it mean then?
I'm not wanting to argue, but if your 800-1000 lb heifers wean, as you stated 650-700lb calves, which is up to 80% of the cow weight, how econonical is it to wean and grow them out to 700 lbs? Seems you're goin' backwards. Sounds like a lot of :bs: is going on here. gsddd75":ns9iqv50 said:pretty much except I do wean and grow them out to around 700 lbs.True Grit Farms":ns9iqv50 said:Facebook? Real news for real people. This ddd75 person has no management and no breeding season, almost like the way we do it. Throwing the cows and bulls out together, moving them when the grass gets short, feed them hay when you have no grass, and bury the occasional one's that die. When you want some money gather up a few of the older calves and trailer wean them to the sale barn. You can hang out and get your check the same day, I've done it and still do it this way.Bright Raven":ns9iqv50 said:Neighbor, you guys throw that liberal label around like it is a switchblade knife. Trust me. Jeanne is a firm Conservative. I see her Facebook every day!!!!!
Jeanne knows more about cattle than most, and is a wealth of knowledge and information for us on CT. Listen up you might just learn something.
You're right on Greg but do you think this dumb a$$ would recognize it. :shock:plumber_greg":k69m81hl said:I'm not wanting to argue, but if your 800-1000 lb heifers wean, as you stated 650-700lb calves, which is up to 80% of the cow weight, how econonical is it to wean and grow them out to 700 lbs? Seems you're goin' backwards. Sounds like a lot of :bs: is going on here. gs
plumber_greg":3bov6zqt said:I'm not wanting to argue, but if your 800-1000 lb heifers wean, as you stated 650-700lb calves, which is up to 80% of the cow weight, how econonical is it to wean and grow them out to 700 lbs? Seems you're goin' backwards. Sounds like a lot of :bs: is going on here. gsddd75":3bov6zqt said:pretty much except I do wean and grow them out to around 700 lbs.True Grit Farms":3bov6zqt said:Facebook? Real news for real people. This ddd75 person has no management and no breeding season, almost like the way we do it. Throwing the cows and bulls out together, moving them when the grass gets short, feed them hay when you have no grass, and bury the occasional one's that die. When you want some money gather up a few of the older calves and trailer wean them to the sale barn. You can hang out and get your check the same day, I've done it and still do it this way.
Jeanne knows more about cattle than most, and is a wealth of knowledge and information for us on CT. Listen up you might just learn something.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":3qzdu6ka said:Linebreeding vs inbreeding:
http://www.instituteofcaninebiology.org ... nebreeding
http://kb.rspca.org.au/what-do-the-term ... n_334.html
http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/genetics/inbreeding.html
"I pull calves off my heifers at around 450 lbs to help my lil itty bitty inbred heifers breed back on time."
See, you keep making statements that contradict previous statements. "IF" you weaned any calves, that means you take them away from the dams. "IF" you take heifer calves away from their dams, do you purposely put their sire in with them? If they are getting bred at these young ages, they obviously get exposure to a bull (the sire according to you).
We need to end this. You admittedly have no management (but that's your program and it's OK for you), but I just wanted to clarify to all the "readers" out there, that breeding heifers at a very young age is not proper management, and breeding heifers to their sire (at any age) is not proper management.
You just keep digging your hole deeper & deeper.
ddd75":fpu3l148 said:A New Approach
One of the quickest ways to maximize reproductive performance is to provide more nutrients.
However, based on recently-reported data, this is probably not the most economical solution.
Historically, heifers have been developed to weigh approximately 60-65% of their mature body weight
at breeding time (about 13-14 months old)
Several researchers have begun to explore the possibility of developing heifers at a slower rate,
which leads to weights at first breeding that are lighter than historical averages.
Nebraska research...compared the long-term reproductive performance of two groups of crossbred heifers
developed to 53% (low gain) and 58% (high gain) of mature body weight.
The heifers were developed on identical rations (hay, wheat middlings, corn, and supplement),
except for a difference .... in corn in the "high gain" heifers.
Interestingly, there was no difference for pregnancy rates through the fourth breeding season (Table 1).
An economic evaluation was conducted to follow-up on the reduced gain concept.
the "low gain" heifers cost $27 per bred heifer less than the "high gain" heifers .
ddd75":nxu9e6df said:Supa Dexta":nxu9e6df said:ddd75":nxu9e6df said:Anything around 650 - 700 lbs IMO is ready to bred.. which for my cows would be around 60% of full growth weight.
Thats around my 205 day weaning weights. :lol:
yea.. they are usually around that mark at around weaning time. I usually wean off at around 8 months old.
crazy to me how some people will hold a heifer until 2 to get bred.. then she's almost 3 before she calves?! mine have already thrown out a 2nd.
ddd75":3lglnfq7 said:Jeanne - Simme Valley":3lglnfq7 said:Linebreeding vs inbreeding:
http://www.instituteofcaninebiology.org ... nebreeding
http://kb.rspca.org.au/what-do-the-term ... n_334.html
http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/genetics/inbreeding.html
"I pull calves off my heifers at around 450 lbs to help my lil itty bitty inbred heifers breed back on time."
See, you keep making statements that contradict previous statements. "IF" you weaned any calves, that means you take them away from the dams. "IF" you take heifer calves away from their dams, do you purposely put their sire in with them? If they are getting bred at these young ages, they obviously get exposure to a bull (the sire according to you).
We need to end this. You admittedly have no management (but that's your program and it's OK for you), but I just wanted to clarify to all the "readers" out there, that breeding heifers at a very young age is not proper management, and breeding heifers to their sire (at any age) is not proper management.
You just keep digging your hole deeper & deeper.
uhh...
I'll take advice from successful cattlemen and my own success vs. what you think / believe.
Silver":3t0tqkqw said:Our calves are born first part of March to end of April. We turn the bulls out with the heifers same time as we turn them in with the bulls. If they aren't bred up in time to fit the calving window they leave. Heifer retention seems to be fine, so that's the program we stick with.
Silver":hn4ih6tl said:Our calves are born first part of March to end of April. We turn the bulls out with the heifers same time as we turn them in with the bulls. If they aren't bred up in time to fit the calving window they leave. Heifer retention seems to be fine, so that's the program we stick with.
ddd75":8ijix2ys said:True Grit Farms":8ijix2ys said:https://onpasture.com/2014/10/20/breedi ... -breeding/ddd75":8ijix2ys said:oh ok.. :lol2:
Whats it mean then?
i'll take my lessons from people who truly create wealth from cattle such as gerald fry. If some lady named tataipa decides I'm 'inbreeding' and not 'linebreeding' then thats great. I'm sure she's never raised a cow in her life.
That article did tell me my bull is defect free though. thanks.