Johnny Manziel

[cross_7]

I am an expert football analyst and when I was a senior I was the back up QB on JV so I know all about the skills required to be an NFL QB

The game is so much faster than college, the DB's close on the ball so quick, they disguise the defensive pkg's so well and the safety's and LB coverage.
If you have a Favre, Vick, Flacco type arm you can get away with some mistakes, but Manziel doesn't have that type of arm

If you can read defenses like Chad Pennington or Peyton Manning you can dissect a defense, but from what I have seen Manziel doesn't have that knowledge.

You have to go through you're progressions in a split second and make GOOD decisions in an instant while your world is going 200 mph, Manziel doesn't show that ability and makes poor decisions(like the video I posted, he should have thrown the ball away) He has been lucky so far but his luck will run out in the NFL

He doesn't have the body type to play the style of ball that he does. He's not built like a Cam Newton and will end up like RGIII, but not as smart as RGIII

My expert opinion I wouldn't waste a pick on him till the 3rd

Anything else you need to know just ask

Well, allow me to retort. I, having the best arm of anyone in my immediate family (wife and all 3 kids) and a self proclaimed Draft Specialist (not currently advising Jerry Jones) will give you the proper breakdown of JF.
1. How on earth can you judge his decision making on one play? That worked out, by the way. It's one of his strongest attributes and will only get better IF he has the work ethic.
That is a question, does he have it inside to learn to play the game

2. Instinct- his is off the charts. Just incredible.
Does he have Derek Jeter type instinct ?, I'd say no, Zach Thomas ?, maybe but it takes above average intelligence and making good decision in a split second to be successful in the NFL and based on his behavior he doesn't have it

3. He doesn't have a good arm, much like another QB in the NFL named Peyton Manning.
Same could be said about Chad Pennington but it's their knowledge of the game and being mentored to play the game from birth

4. Accuracy, I have watched him play several games now and he is very accurate, much like Peyton Manning, except Peyton's accuracy didn't get as good as JFs till his Junior year. Don't forget, JF is 2 games into his Sophomore season.
His body type and style of play reminds me of Drew Brees, but Brees is surgical and deadly accurate
and he threats the ball in places no one else in the league can, so Manziel can't be held to that standard.

5. Height, yes it's a liability, much like Drew Breeses was at Perdue. HOWEVER, he is small framed and I wonder if he can take the Bone Crushing hits NFL linebackers like Patrick Willis dish out.
Unless he learns to slide and give himself up and gets over his ego, he will have a short career

6. How good is he? I don't believe there is another QB in college football that could have kept the Bama game within 35.
No doubt but he is blessed with some really good physical receivers that go after the ball and make him better than he is

7. Can he play in the NFL? Who knows? Ryan Leaf looked spectacular in college in every aspect, but he couldn't handle pressure. It was too easy to get in his head. That's certainly a possibility with JF.
Based on the "money" gesture and his other antics you can get him out of his game and his ego takes over

8. He's an azz

He is and I want to like him. I want him to be Tebow like but he aint

Again I have all the answers and as smart as I am I can't figure out why I am not be sought out by and NFL or MLB franchise

 

[cross_7]

Nick Saban on Johnny Manziel, obviously he's not as smart as I am

"I think Johnny's a unique player," Saban said. "Many people have said about these guys, like [Robert Griffin III], that they're not really NFL-style quarterbacks. But yet they're all doing pretty well in the NFL. I think when somebody's as instinctive as [Manziel] is, and as fast as he is, and as athletic as he is, and he's developing into a pretty good passer -- I mean last year he really developed as a passer -- I do think he has an NFL future."

 

[ousoonerfan22]

Barry Sanders was undersized for an NFL running back but nobody could get a good hit on him and I see the same thing in Manziel. These guys are so elusive that it's hard to get squared up and deliver a bone crushing hit on them...they're too quick and have great field vision so they make you miss. Maybe Manziel doesn't have a rocket arm but the defense has to honor his running ability so there is going to be an open receiver and he can make those throws. The guy is a head case but you have to give him credit....he's a helluva player!

 

[Alan]

He's without a doubt very, very good. The greatest since so and so ...... no. He's no Bo Jackson, Hershel Walker, O. J. Simpson( ), Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, etc. Daul threat QB's tend to not do well in the NFL, but he's very, very good and fun to watch.

Barry is my favorite all time, I saw everything he ever did. Same with Adrian. Johnny doesn't have the resume YET because he hasn't played as many games. But he absolutely belongs on that list if he continues his pace thru the year. And, like I said, I can't stand the kid.

Oh, and Mariota is good, but in the words of CC "Come on man!", he certainly does not belong on at list.

Well I believe my two day ban from the sports page has been served! :lol: O.J. Is an evil less than human being, but at USC he was a heck of a running back.

Yes Iso, after three weeks of college ball I believe we can close the Hiesman balloting, in the two major hiesman polls Marcus Mariota is leading in one and in second in the other. Mariota's biggest draw back is he only gets to play 2 1/2 to 3 quarters a game. The hazards of blowing every team they face out.

Most of my above comments are tounge in cheek, but here's a serious question. Would Manziel have won the Hiesman if A&M had lost to Bama last year?

 

[Isomade]

He's without a doubt very, very good. The greatest since so and so ...... no. He's no Bo Jackson, Hershel Walker, O. J. Simpson( ), Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, etc. Daul threat QB's tend to not do well in the NFL, but he's very, very good and fun to watch.

Barry is my favorite all time, I saw everything he ever did. Same with Adrian. Johnny doesn't have the resume YET because he hasn't played as many games. But he absolutely belongs on that list if he continues his pace thru the year. And, like I said, I can't stand the kid.

Oh, and Mariota is good, but in the words of CC "Come on man!", he certainly does not belong on at list.

Well I believe my two day ban from the sports page has been served! :lol: O.J. Is an evil less than human being, but at USC he was a heck of a running back.

Yes Iso, after three weeks of college ball I believe we can close the Hiesman balloting, in the two major hiesman polls Marcus Mariota is leading in one and in second in the other. Mariota's biggest draw back is he only gets to play 2 1/2 to 3 quarters a game. The hazards of blowing every team they face out.

Most of my above comments are tounge in cheek, but here's a serious question. Would Manziel have won the Hiesman if A&M had lost to Bama last year?

No, But he DID beat Bama

 

[TexasBred]

I am an expert football analyst and when I was a senior I was the back up QB on JV so I know all about the skills required to be an NFL QB

The game is so much faster than college, the DB's close on the ball so quick, they disguise the defensive pkg's so well and the safety's and LB coverage.
If you have a Favre, Vick, Flacco type arm you can get away with some mistakes, but Manziel doesn't have that type of arm

If you can read defenses like Chad Pennington or Peyton Manning you can dissect a defense, but from what I have seen Manziel doesn't have that knowledge.

You have to go through you're progressions in a split second and make GOOD decisions in an instant while your world is going 200 mph, Manziel doesn't show that ability and makes poor decisions(like the video I posted, he should have thrown the ball away) He has been lucky so far but his luck will run out in the NFL

He doesn't have the body type to play the style of ball that he does. He's not built like a Cam Newton and will end up like RGIII, but not as smart as RGIII

My expert opinion I wouldn't waste a pick on him till the 3rd

Anything else you need to know just ask

HE'S A SOPHOMORE !!!!!!

 

[john250]

Mr. Perdue will sell you a fine chicken.
Mr. Brees played for Purdue.
Height was not a concern so much at Purdue as it was his first couple years in the NFL.
Has any NFL team ever had a player acquisition work as well as Brees and the Saints? From memory, he was picked up on waivers, so he cost them near nothing (in NFL $). Everyone in that deal in NOLA has to feel like they went to the riverboat and won big.

The most apt comparison for Johnny Football might be Joe Namath.

 

[TexasBred]

Based on the "money" gesture and his other antics you can get him out of his game and his ego takes over

Now that is a strange statement. You need to learn the difference in "ego" and "competitor". He's a competitor....perhaps to a fault and it's hard to get in a guys head that has already been playing with your head since the opening kickoff.

 

[cross_7]

Based on the "money" gesture and his other antics you can get him out of his game and his ego takes over

Now that is a strange statement. You need to learn the difference in "ego" and "competitor". He's a competitor....perhaps to a fault and it's hard to get in a guys head that has already been playing with your head since the opening kickoff.

At nothing wrong with standing up for your team and QB, even when you're wrong

 

[Brute 23]

:lol: This is funny stuff.

 

[TexasBred]

Based on the "money" gesture and his other antics you can get him out of his game and his ego takes over

Now that is a strange statement. You need to learn the difference in "ego" and "competitor". He's a competitor....perhaps to a fault and it's hard to get in a guys head that has already been playing with your head since the opening kickoff.

At nothing wrong with standing up for your team and QB, even when you're wrong

Apparently you don't listen to Nick Saben either.

 

[cross_7]

Peyton's knowledge of the game and the ability to read defenses is what separates him from all the rest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKaFjQ9KV9Q

 

[TexasBred]

Peyton's knowledge of the game and the ability to read defenses is what separates him from all the rest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKaFjQ9KV9Q

That AND a good "O' line. ;-) As much as I like Manning, put him on one of the lesser teams and his stats would be "average" at best.

 

[J&D Cattle]

Peyton's knowledge of the game and the ability to read defenses is what separates him from all the rest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKaFjQ9KV9Q

That AND a good "O' line. ;-) As much as I like Manning, put him on one of the lesser teams and his stats would be "average" at best.

I know what you're saying TB but the Colts were average at best for a while and he put up some good numbers. He has a ton of "football knowledge". They say he studies the game like nobody else.

 

[TexasBred]

Peyton's knowledge of the game and the ability to read defenses is what separates him from all the rest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKaFjQ9KV9Q

That AND a good "O' line. ;-) As much as I like Manning, put him on one of the lesser teams and his stats would be "average" at best.

I know what you're saying TB but the Colts were average at best for a while and he put up some good numbers. He has a ton of "football knowledge". They say he studies the game like nobody else.

I don't doubt it one bit but even with the colts he had a pretty good offensive line. He's probably my favorite all-time pro QB.....but he didn't get there overnight. It started way back and took a lot of work. Give Manziel a shot. He may make it...then again he may not. The mobile QB is what a lot of teams are looking for and are adjusting offenses accordingly.

 

[VanC]

I don't doubt it one bit but even with the colts he had a pretty good offensive line. He's probably my favorite all-time pro QB.....but he didn't get there overnight. It started way back and took a lot of work. Give Manziel a shot. He may make it...then again he may not. The mobile QB is what a lot of teams are looking for and are adjusting offenses accordingly.

A couple of years ago the Wildcat was all the rage and now it's all but extinct. Why? Because the defenses adjusted and shut it down. They'll adjust to the Read Option just as quickly and, in fact, it's already starting. Take a look at the best mobile QBs of the last 10 years. Vick, Newton, Wilson, Griffin III, Kaepernick. They don't run nearly as often as they used to, even compared to a year ago. Partly because the defenses are adjusting and partly because their offensive coaches are realizing it's just not worth the risk. Once that QB leaves the pocket and crosses the line of scrimage he loses all the protections afforded, by rule, to the QB. He's just another ball carrier. Defenses can tee off on him, and that's exactly what they do.

Vick is always banged up and has only played all 16 games in one season since coming into the league in 2001. Newton is always on the injury report for something. RGIII missed the end of last season and hasn't been the same so far this year. As exiting as a mobile QB can be, coaches and owners are coming to the conclusion that it's not worth taking risks with such a huge investment if they're only going to be around for a couple of years.

As for Manziel, he might make it and he might not, but he better show the scouts that he has a good, accurate arm and makes good decisions, or he won't be drafted very high. Somebody will take a chance on him, but if he tries to make it as a Read Option QB, he won't last long against the best players in the world. No one will. I don't wish the kid any bad luck, but the landscape is littered with great college football players, even Heisman winners, that were complete busts in the NFL.

 

[cross_7]

I don't doubt it one bit but even with the colts he had a pretty good offensive line. He's probably my favorite all-time pro QB.....but he didn't get there overnight. It started way back and took a lot of work. Give Manziel a shot. He may make it...then again he may not. The mobile QB is what a lot of teams are looking for and are adjusting offenses accordingly.

A couple of years ago the Wildcat was all the rage and now it's all but extinct. Why? Because the defenses adjusted and shut it down. They'll adjust to the Read Option just as quickly and, in fact, it's already starting. Take a look at the best mobile QBs of the last 10 years. Vick, Newton, Wilson, Griffin III, Kaepernick. They don't run nearly as often as they used to, even compared to a year ago. Partly because the defenses are adjusting and partly because their offensive coaches are realizing it's just not worth the risk. Once that QB leaves the pocket and crosses the line of scrimage he loses all the protections afforded, by rule, to the QB. He's just another ball carrier. Defenses can tee off on him, and that's exactly what they do.

Vick is always banged up and has only played all 16 games in one season since coming into the league in 2001. Newton is always on the injury report for something. RGIII missed the end of last season and hasn't been the same so far this year. As exiting as a mobile QB can be, coaches and owners are coming to the conclusion that it's not worth taking risks with such a huge investment if they're only going to be around for a couple of years.

As for Manziel, he might make it and he might not, but he better show the scouts that he has a good, accurate arm and makes good decisions, or he won't be drafted very high. Somebody will take a chance on him, but if he tries to make it as a Read Option QB, he won't last long against the best players in the world. No one will. I don't wish the kid any bad luck, but the landscape is littered with great college football players, even Heisman winners, that were complete busts in the NFL.

Van that is the best analysis and evaluation posted so far

 

[TexasBred]

I don't doubt it one bit but even with the colts he had a pretty good offensive line. He's probably my favorite all-time pro QB.....but he didn't get there overnight. It started way back and took a lot of work. Give Manziel a shot. He may make it...then again he may not. The mobile QB is what a lot of teams are looking for and are adjusting offenses accordingly.

A couple of years ago the Wildcat was all the rage and now it's all but extinct. Why? Because the defenses adjusted and shut it down. They'll adjust to the Read Option just as quickly and, in fact, it's already starting. Take a look at the best mobile QBs of the last 10 years. Vick, Newton, Wilson, Griffin III, Kaepernick. They don't run nearly as often as they used to, even compared to a year ago. Partly because the defenses are adjusting and partly because their offensive coaches are realizing it's just not worth the risk. Once that QB leaves the pocket and crosses the line of scrimage he loses all the protections afforded, by rule, to the QB. He's just another ball carrier. Defenses can tee off on him, and that's exactly what they do.

Vick is always banged up and has only played all 16 games in one season since coming into the league in 2001. Newton is always on the injury report for something. RGIII missed the end of last season and hasn't been the same so far this year. As exiting as a mobile QB can be, coaches and owners are coming to the conclusion that it's not worth taking risks with such a huge investment if they're only going to be around for a couple of years.

As for Manziel, he might make it and he might not, but he better show the scouts that he has a good, accurate arm and makes good decisions, or he won't be drafted very high. Somebody will take a chance on him, but if he tries to make it as a Read Option QB, he won't last long against the best players in the world. No one will. I don't wish the kid any bad luck, but the landscape is littered with great college football players, even Heisman winners, that were complete busts in the NFL.

All true but most of those teams were not willing to completely change the offensive scheme either. Jim Kelley did quite well with the old Houston Texans and he never ran much. Just ran the other team to death with short passes and a hurry up type offense for that day in time. Manziel doesn't really run all that much. He moves around and even runs around but still seems to be looking for a receiver most of the time. Someone will take him and he very well be a flop but Fran Tarkenton did it as did Doug Flutie and the Seahawks have a guy testing the system right now. BTW those 300 pounder guys don't give a heck of a lot of effort on any play. I'd love to see them put a weight limit on football players. Football was much more enjoyable when linemen went 250 and linebackers weighed 200-210 and running back were 195. Seems there were far fewer destroyed knees and ankles too. Sometimes we just ask too much of certain body parts all in hopes of someday being a multi-millionaire, albeit in a wheelchair.

 

[john250]

Peyton's knowledge of the game and the ability to read defenses is what separates him from all the rest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKaFjQ9KV9Q

That AND a good "O' line. ;-) As much as I like Manning, put him on one of the lesser teams and his stats would be "average" at best.

I know what you're saying TB but the Colts were average at best for a while and he put up some good numbers. He has a ton of "football knowledge". They say he studies the game like nobody else.

There isn't any QB quite like Peyton. Trouble is, most of the money goes to Peyton, leaving little money to improve the rest of the team. The Colts were weak at lots of positions. Marvin Harrison made Peyton. The man could get two feet in bounds on any catch. You never felt like the game was over with Peyton's Colts. They always had a chance.

 

[TexasBred]

There isn't any QB quite like Peyton. Trouble is, most of the money goes to Peyton, leaving little money to improve the rest of the team. The Colts were weak at lots of positions. Marvin Harrison made Peyton. The man could get two feet in bounds on any catch. You never felt like the game was over with Peyton's Colts. They always had a chance.

Very true indeed. I remember an old boy by the name of Terry Bradshaw. Nothing but a "chunker" that seldom got the ball where it was suppose to be, but Stallworth and Swann made him a Hall of Fame member.