I would like to thank all of you that pay taxes.

[RoanDurham]

If you don't take the money they'll just find somebody less deserving to give it to.

Not true. And that is the exact mentality that enables the welfare society. The allotment is determined by the number of applicants.

 

[Shanghai]

The EWG web page is very misleading. Many of the top reciepients are collecting checks under many different names.

That's right. I noticed several where the husband and the wife were both getting checks and some are listed as "abc farms" or the such, I guess maybe to hide who you are ?

 

[RoanDurham]

Allotments are granted to the registered producer for each particular piece of land. Double dipping is impossible as there can only be one entity registered as the producer for each acreage.

 

[ga.prime]

If you don't take the money they'll just find somebody less deserving to give it to.

Not true. And that is the exact mentality that enables the welfare society. The allotment is determined by the number of applicants.

Oh, really? Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe nobody knows what they're talking about. I thought the number of qualified applicants determined what slice of the allocated pie the applicant received. I know it does with some of the programs. At any rate, I say get whatever you can because somebody's going to get it. Might as well be you.

 

[Jogeephus]

The EWG web page is very misleading. Many of the top reciepients are collecting checks under many different names.

That's right. I noticed several where the husband and the wife were both getting checks and some are listed as "abc farms" or the such, I guess maybe to hide who you are ?

That's probably not the reason. The main reason for doing this is there is a cap on how much any one person can get each year so to avoid the ceiling they placed to prevent mis-use people really milking the system form all sorts of entities. I know a boy who earned more farming after school and football practice than most will make in eight to ten years. He sure must have budgeted his time well.

 

[RoanDurham]

The size of the allocated pie is determined by an estimate based on the number of past applicants

 

[highgrit]

When it comes to subsidies the farmers with the most money receive the most in subsidies. I posted this because at our last cattlemens meeting the majority had already filed for their drought relief. And no one said anything to us about the drought relief money. Lots of people received the money and their to ashamed to say. I think the local paper should post the names and how much money everyone received in subsidies and relief payments.
I bet that would save a bunch of money. And the people that really needed help would still receive some help.

 

[Caustic Burno]

When it comes to subsidies the farmers with the most money receive the most in subsidies. I posted this because at our last cattlemens meeting the majority had already filed for their drought relief. And no one said anything to us about the drought relief money. Lots of people received the money and their to ashamed to say. I think the local paper should post the names and how much money everyone received in subsidies and relief payments.
I bet that would save a bunch of money. And the people that really needed help would still receive some help.

Someone posted a website on here one time and it listed by county who received what.
Eye opening who is dipping into the till around here most are Dr.'s lawyers or Indian Chiefs.

 

[skyhightree1]

When it comes to subsidies the farmers with the most money receive the most in subsidies. I posted this because at our last cattlemens meeting the majority had already filed for their drought relief. And no one said anything to us about the drought relief money. Lots of people received the money and their to ashamed to say. I think the local paper should post the names and how much money everyone received in subsidies and relief payments.
I bet that would save a bunch of money. And the people that really needed help would still receive some help.

Someone posted a website on here one time and it listed by county who received what.
Eye opening who is dipping into the till around here most are Dr.'s lawyers or Indian Chiefs.

We have that site as well..

 

[skyhightree1]

Does the subsidies numbers look like this ?

Year Conservation Subsidies Disaster Subsidies Commodity Subsidies Total USDA Subsidies
1995-2012
1995 $630 $0 $18,431 $19,061
1996 $0 $0 $11,287 $11,287
1997 $0 $0 $24,001 $24,001
1998 $0 $0 $51,462 $51,462
1999 $0 $51,747 $117,066 $168,813
2000 $0 $0 $136,726 $136,726
2001 $0 $2,650 $213,936 $216,586
2002 $0 $0 $153,745 $153,745
2003 $0 $55,198 $185,488 $240,686
2004 $0 $0 $122,112 $122,112
2005 $10,265 $29,405 $177,561 $217,231
2006 $0 $0 $128,940 $128,940
2007 $0 $7,477 $138,933 $146,410
2008 $0 $73,261 $114,457 $187,718
2009 $0 $0 $106,463 $106,463
2010 $0 $0 $87,697 $87,697
2011 $0 $0 $71,078 $71,078
2012 $4,320 $100,000 $66,635 $170,955
Total $15,215 $319,738 $1,926,019 $2,260,972


County Subsidy Payments 1995-2012
Sussex County, Virginia $894,541
Surry County, Virginia $0
Dinwiddie County, Virginia $1,277,120
$89,312
Total $2,260,972

 

[skyhightree1]

Here is a site
http://farm.ewg.org/index.php

 

[Jogeephus]

By coincidence today one of the cover stories on the front page of the newspaper discussed how climate change was costing the taxpayers more and more money due to drought assistance. They talked about how disaster expenditures in agriculture had increased exponentially in the last few years and how if this or that wasn't done we would all suffer serious problems. I'm sure many would read the article and hope and pray the government didn't start taxing us for our carbon footprints to save us from having all these disasters.

 

[Bigfoot]

I think many of us are missing the common denominator. It's FOOD. Communism was alive, and well in the USSR, until people got hungry. Then they started to fuss. Apparently a government can treat people any way they want, until they get hungry. We have subsidies to insure a cheap supply of food. When gas shot up, nobody was fighting in the streets. Let food get where the working can't afford it, and we've got a big problem on our hands. Yes I am well aware a few people get the majority of the "Government" money. That is a problem. The % stated on the EWG web page that don't take subsidies-------- I argue that the majority are not real farmers/ranchers. I'm all for price supports, disaster relief, NRCS cost share the whole 9 yards. The American people need our food, and they need it to be cheap. That's just the way it is. I've had my hand in the pot a bunch of times. I don't care if people call it welfare. I don't care if my name is in the local paper for subsidies, and BTW it has been. People are going to talk. That's what people do. They also have to eat.

 

[John SD]

The EWG web page is very misleading. Many of the top reciepients are collecting checks under many different names.

Many of the recipients on the bottom of the list have been dead for as many as 11 years. :roll:

In the interest of full disclosure, I punched in my own zip code 57792.

There are 30 recipients in my zip code. I am #6 with a total of $76401.03 I received from 1995-2012.

Vast majority of this total was under EQIP for water, along with tree planting, and fencing required by the EQIP plan.

Of course, EWG doesn't reveal that in 2012 I also paid over $33K back to Uncle Sam in income taxes.

Uncle Sam may giveth, but Uncle Sam also taketh away.

 

[ga.prime]

It's all a convoluted pile of horse hockey.

 

[Bigfoot]

Accounting is receipts and disbursements. I'll look at the other side of the coin. Property taxes aren't high here at at all. No need for an agexemption. In areas where property taxes are high, and an ag exemption is allowed. Do the same people claiming to refuse "welfare" refuse their ag exemption? If you really want to do your part call the property value office tomorrow, and tell them your sick of not pulling your weight.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Accounting is receipts and disbursements. I'll look at the other side of the coin. Property taxes aren't high here at at all. No need for an agexemption. In areas where property taxes are high, and an ag exemption is allowed. Do the same people claiming to refuse "welfare" refuse their ag exemption? If you really want to do your part call the property value office tomorrow, and tell them your sick of not pulling your weight.

With that thinking you shouldn't take your exemptions on your income tax as well.
Myself personally I am for a national sales tax you don't get anything back.
You pay on what you spend period. Do away with all welfare period go back to the CC camps.
No work no pay from the taxpayer.

 

[skyhightree1]

[Of course, EWG doesn't reveal that in 2012 I also paid over $33K back to Uncle Sam in income taxes.

Uncle Sam may giveth, but Uncle Sam also taketh away.

Very true on the taxes let me tell ya and he does giveth and does a even better job at taketh

 

[houstoncutter]

Accounting is receipts and disbursements. I'll look at the other side of the coin. Property taxes aren't high here at at all. No need for an agexemption. In areas where property taxes are high, and an ag exemption is allowed. Do the same people claiming to refuse "welfare" refuse their ag exemption? If you really want to do your part call the property value office tomorrow, and tell them your sick of not pulling your weight.

With that thinking you shouldn't take your exemptions on your income tax as well.
Myself personally I am for a national sales tax you don't get anything back.
You pay on what you spend period. Do away with all welfare period go back to the CC camps.
No work no pay from the taxpayer.

Aint that the truth, some of the finest stone work done in Texas was done by young men and boys in the 3 C's...It gave em a job and helped some of them learn a trade. They built a lot of things in many states!

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Accounting is receipts and disbursements. I'll look at the other side of the coin. Property taxes aren't high here at at all. No need for an agexemption. In areas where property taxes are high, and an ag exemption is allowed. Do the same people claiming to refuse "welfare" refuse their ag exemption? If you really want to do your part call the property value office tomorrow, and tell them your sick of not pulling your weight.

With that thinking you shouldn't take your exemptions on your income tax as well.
Myself personally I am for a national sales tax you don't get anything back.
You pay on what you spend period. Do away with all welfare period go back to the CC camps.
No work no pay from the taxpayer.

Aint that the truth, some of the finest stone work done in Texas was done by young men and boys in the 3 C's...It gave em a job and helped some of them learn a trade. They built a lot of things in many states!

It's the only socialist problem FDR came out with that I wish we had today.