I would like to thank all of you that pay taxes.

[John SD]

I sure wouldn't feel bad, I have paid well over a million dollars in taxes in my short lifetime. If they are going to give any back, I am going to take it!

Congrats if you have already paid a million in a short lifespan. Your either a millionaire or you have a bad tax accountant.

Never fear! Uncle Sam has his ways of getting it back and then some from productive citizens.

A couple years ago at tax time I figure I bought Uncle Sam a nice new pickup.

Possibly my fault. I should have consulted my tax lady sooner and perhaps could have bought the pickup for myself instead of Uncle. :roll:

 

[Hook]

You guys and your rich people problems.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Taxes would never be as high if the money wasn't used to buy votes.
Name one government agency/ program that is not corrupt.

My subsidy was the government allowing me to sell 70% of my herd during the drought
that took a life time to build.

 

[Workinonit Farm]

My opinion is that it should be an insurance kind of deal. You pay a premium and if the drought hammers you you collect from the insurance. If you didn;t buy the insurance it's just tough.

:nod: :nod: :nod:

I too am of that line of thinking.

Katherine

 

[highgrit]

I changed my name to Tyrone, and now I feel way better. We all need to work overtime, so the government can give some more of our tax dollars away. I always thought getting money from the government took forever. My wife filed our claim on Friday and Tuesday the funds were in our bank. It's really easy, I think I could make a good living off the government.
I'm going to be a conservative and vote conservative till I die, or till they take my right to vote away.

 

[Bigfoot]

I personally believe the CRP program is welfare. I wouldn't put a farm in it. If I bought a farm in it all ready, I'd leave it in it. I don't see disaster relief as welfare at all.

 

[HDRider]

Government math.

Three dollars go up, one dollar comes back, and we are glad to see that. What's good about that?

 

[Jogeephus]

I agree. We have a choice. Do you want socialism or do you want capitalism?

Do you want inequality or do you want equality?

I attended my neighbor's son's graduation party some years ago. Good kid and I have nothing against him. His mother called and invited us to his retirement party the first of June. He took a job with the federal government and will be retiring at the end of this month. His mother said he will be earning around $60,000 for the rest of his life and his health care will be provided for his family by the government. He has enough youth in him that he will be able to pursue a whole new career most likely working as a contractor for the government making more than he did before.

You and I are expected to work till what age before we can begin to draw our retirement? At what age must we be before we can get some help with health care? Don't know about you but this doesn't seem like equality to me but I don't begrudge him. He was smart and made a good choice but if everyone made this choice who would be left to fund this?

 

[melking]

Coming to this party late, I must say is has been a very insightful conversation. I continue to be amazed by the folks on this forum to have a deep meaningful conversation like this. I guess I should say I am amazed at the calmness which prevails a rather volatile topic. When I read the original post, I said I wouldn't have taken it. By the end of the 4 the page I am not so sure now. That is the definition of a good conversation.

 

[ga.prime]

If you don't take the money they'll just find somebody less deserving to give it to.

Yeah then maybe I could finally get my phone. I can't think of anyone less deserving than myself. :mrgreen:

I don't know, Jo. I know a guy that paid his accountant $600 to prove his yearly income was less than $2 million so that he could receive a $1200 DCP payment. I guess that's one of those first world problems you hear about. :lol2:

 

[Bigfoot]

I have always just assumed that a very, very small percentage of farmers refused subsidies/relief. I also don't consider us a true representation of most "full time" farmers/ranchers.

 

[Deepsouth]

Coming to this party late, I must say is has been a very insightful conversation. I continue to be amazed by the folks on this forum to have a deep meaningful conversation like this. I guess I should say I am amazed at the calmness which prevails a rather volatile topic. When I read the original post, I said I wouldn't have taken it. By the end of the 4 the page I am not so sure now. That is the definition of a good conversation.

Your right mel, it's not hard to have a civil discussion on here as long as you don't mention cat hammed bulls. :deadhorse:
:lol2: :lol: :lol2:

 

[M5farm]

Coming to this party late, I must say is has been a very insightful conversation. I continue to be amazed by the folks on this forum to have a deep meaningful conversation like this. I guess I should say I am amazed at the calmness which prevails a rather volatile topic. When I read the original post, I said I wouldn't have taken it. By the end of the 4 the page I am not so sure now. That is the definition of a good conversation.

Your right mel, it's not hard to have a civil discussion on here as long as you don't mention cat hammed bulls. :deadhorse:
:lol2: :lol: :lol2:

or sulfur or polio or horned black angus bulls

 

[Shanghai]

http://farm.ewg.org/index.php
Punch in a zip code

There are guys I went to school with that have done VERY well for themselves, but I can punch in my zip code and see some average better than 75k a year in subsidies, so I understand how they do it.

In my mind a man stands on his own and without government welfare unless he just can't do on his own and only accepts help, out of complete necessity.

If I punch in a zip code and see a name on there that is living really well it burns me good.
I see wasted tax dollars.
At least a the girls on welfare with 3 kids and a no job or husband don't get 75k a year and live in new homes, vacation all over the country and live the good life.

 

[melking]

Coming to this party late, I must say is has been a very insightful conversation. I continue to be amazed by the folks on this forum to have a deep meaningful conversation like this. I guess I should say I am amazed at the calmness which prevails a rather volatile topic. When I read the original post, I said I wouldn't have taken it. By the end of the 4 the page I am not so sure now. That is the definition of a good conversation.

Your right mel, it's not hard to have a civil discussion on here as long as you don't mention cat hammed bulls. :deadhorse:
:lol2: :lol: :lol2:

I guess I have been on here long enough to know not to ask.....but cat hammed bulls?

 

[Jogeephus]

Punched my state and was pleased to see that 70% of the farms in Georgia did not accept subsidies. 10% of the farms collecting subsidies collected 82% of all the money. I'm pleased to see there are more people in the state that feel the same way I do.

 

[Hook]

http://farm.ewg.org/index.php
Punch in a zip code

There are guys I went to school with that have done VERY well for themselves, but I can punch in my zip code and see some average better than 75k a year in subsidies, so I understand how they do it.

In my mind a man stands on his own and without government welfare unless he just can't do on his own and only accepts help, out of complete necessity.

If I punch in a zip code and see a name on there that is living really well it burns me good.
I see wasted tax dollars.
At least a the girls on welfare with 3 kids and a no job or husband don't get 75k a year and live in new homes, vacation all over the country and live the good life.

That website was posted a few years back, and proved to be very insightful. Deacon at the church got checks for corn affected by the drought, except the corn was planted as food plots for deer and never meant to be harvested.
Highgrit is an honorable man, and made a decision. I can't say that id make the same decision, but I haven't been put in that situation myself yet either. When push comes to shove bs walks and actions talk.

 

[Bigfoot]

The EWG web page is very misleading. Many of the top reciepients are collecting checks under many different names.

 

[RoanDurham]

I think were looking at this wrong. The government needs a safe, and never ending food supply. Americans need to eat. If the few people left farming all went broke our country, and every citizen in it would be in a world of hurt. I wouldn't set myself up for a big subsidy. I'll gladly take one I've got coming. I'm not just justifying my actions, I really feel that way. I'm not going to buy a new truck with my check either. I'm going to pay myself back the cash reserves I got in to buying hay and supplements.

If supply produced was only enough to meet domestic demand then I would whole heartedly agree with you. But the fact that the government uses tax payer dollars to subsidize the production of food that gets EXPORTED is outrageoussssssss.

 

[RoanDurham]

Just imagine how much those of us who operate w/o welfare would receive for our product if those who do operate w/ welfare weren't in competition with us. Their subsidized participation in the industry artificially inflates supply which ends up lowering the price we receive for our beef.