cowgirl8":1k362sje said:
sim.-ang.king":1k362sje said:
cowgirl8":1k362sje said:
You have to wrench the bar down because the ratchet isn't strong enough. Nope. Pulled enough calves to know that its safely done with a come along.
I just can't see using a spanner on a standing cow. I know how hard it is to keep them fully standing. A cow starts to go down you've lost all your leverage. Spanner no longer worky. Honestly i can't believe no one uses a winch in a chute. If you haven't then you have no room to argue on knowledge on calf pulling.
I have used a ratchet strap. A 3010 jd and a chain. Both of my arms full length inside to pull a calf out. Used a set of ob chains, and baler twine. Have used a cable come-along, and a rope one. Even one time used a couple jump ropes, and a fence post.
Let's argue which method is best.
In my opinion going head first worked best. :lol:
All i have to do is make a comment...and see what happens. I used the word spanner, and then it starts. Just defending my use of the word and the reason we dont use a spanner unless we have to pull a calf in the field..
I still say you cant use a spanner in a chute. Not sure what kind of chute the people here say they use it in, but again, if the cow goes down in the chute what do you do? Do you drag her out and start over? We can get a cow in the chute and have the calf out in a matter of seconds...We pull several a year, never ever injured one even on horrific hard pulls. The winch is lower than the calf, so although its getting pulled evenly out, its not pulled up... Honestly, i'm really confused as to why so many are argruing the issue... I apologize to the OP for their thread ending up like this.....I made a comment that did nothing but use a word most here didnt know....lol....
Don't cry "victim" to an argument on an internet forum that you took part in willingly.
Now if you want to debate ways to pull a calf, we can.
The most important part in pulling a calf, is getting the calf out, live, dead, or otherwise.
When you are pulling a calf a lot of different forces are taking place to remove the calf.
There is the backwards pulling, the forwards pushing, and also the lifting the calf up and out of the uterus.
When using just a winch to pull the calf out, or pulling in any way, if the cow isn't brace from also going backwards with the pulling. You are losing the forward movement, and in turn you lose effective pull strength.
By having something to act as a fulcrum while pulling, like a calf pulling pole does, you change from a ramp to a lever. A lever will double your effective work load over just pulling. The puller also uses this lever action to lift the calf up and out the uterus. With just pulling you have to pull up and out of the uterus, and then back down. Doubling your work load once again. So the puller acts as a winch, fulcrum, lever, and ramp all in one.
I once pulled a calf out in the pasture by bracing my feet against the cow rear hip pins, and then pulling with my arms, legs, and back as if I was rowing a boat. Ended up dumping the 115# calf, plus everything else, right on top of me. It worked because I had a fulcrum, my feet, and lever, the rest of my body, to lift and pull the calf out.
So if winching while standing in a chute can get the calf out, well that is the number one goal.
But using a calf puller may save more time, energy, and is actually safer for the calf, and cow, considering the fact that you can control the amount of pressure applied more easily.