Help..GIVEN a calf, swollen knees, very skinny..what is it??

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I am very new and have bacially no experience with sick calves. I do work as a medical professional so I know the basic concepts but thats it... It is a beef bull calf that weighs aprox 95 lbs, his umbilical cord is completely gone and healed up. I am not sure if this helps with an age, because I have no clue. The calf was essencially left for dead and I am a sucker... He has a great appetite and drinks easily from a bottle. He will also nibble on hay. He stands and walks fine, although he does have problem in getting down to lay down. But he gets up very easily. He has diarhea(sp) but urinates ok. He has very bright shinny eyes and coat. Please help what can I do with him (besides kill him) I have given him 2 quarts milk replacer and 500mg oxytetracycline HCl for the scours....
 
Personally I would throw everything at him for now.The swollen joints could be septicemia, Not good.........

Do you know if he received colostrum?

Start him out on 3-4 pints of 20-20-20 milk replacer twice a day. I would skip the hay for now and get an 18% calf starter ration with decox give him as much as he wants for now he will not over eat. Also I would give him 3cc's IM nuflor and again in 48hrs.Probios are a must. Also a sulfa bolus for the scours. Vitamin b12 shot and watch so he does not become dehydrated. Go see your Vet first thing after the holiday and tell him/her all that you have given and ask for more suggestions.

Good luck I hope he does well for you.
 
I have no idea if he has recieved any colostrum or not. He acts good and is very gentle. I know if he does live it will be alot of work on my part but Im willing.... :cboy:
 
You may wish to do a search on navel ill. One possibility for the swollen joints.

cfpinz
 
Since you are new at this I have to ask: why do you say knees are swollen? new calves often have what seems like large joints and at 95 lbs he probably isn't very old.

Any way to get a picture and post it for us to see? Also take his temperature. That might be a good start. See other posts around here for poop texture/liquidity evaluation.

Shiny eyes a good sign, shiny coat good after a month or to, but most newborns have nice coats. I would say we need more info.
 
Great suggestions, I will take some in the morning and post them on here. I am sure there is a actual name for them rather than knees, I just dont know what it is. I have only had him here a few hours so I will check on the poop thing also... Please check back tomorrow and I will post some pictures..
Thx in advance
 
Okay just posted on your other thread that you asked the same question without the same amount of info, you forgot to mention the swollen knees and said he was getting up fine with a good coat and appetite. Relax, don't post he same question more than once and wait for the advice to come, and then when the Vet office opens, call a Vet.

Alan
 
At 95lbs you can haul the calf to a Vet very easy and it will cost you less, to give the calf a fair chance let a Vet take a look before it gets worse. If the Vet thinks it's ok then have them band him.

Alan
 
The swollen joints could be septicemia,

Joint ill/naval ill, is layman's term for septicemia.

Talk to your vet instead of getting wrong info.

BTW all newborns look kind of skinny.
 
I am trying to upload some pics, and I choose which ones to upload, then submit and it says my images were uploaded successfully but then they arent there. Can anyone tell me what I need to do?
 
Here's the picture:

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:shock: looks like joint ill to me, I have never had good luck with these, I spent way too much on these type of calves,
wont do it again. :(
 
OK definitly not "newborn knees" Hopefully an injury and not joint ill/naval ill. What did the vet say?

Judging by hooves he is aobut a month old and probably holstien, although with you in Texas he might be a longhorn/corriente.

My guess is you have a sick dairy calf that nobody in their right minds would want. However I also have a soft heart and sympathize. As long as you have the time, money, and motivation do what you can. If he seems to be suffering too much please put him down.
 
I will definately not let him suffer, he will be put down if he is suffering. Instead of pawning him off the man should have down that from the get go in my opinion. But now my teenage daughterr has seen him and we will work on him as long as he makes progress. The vet was out of town and I got someone I am not familair with but she said it was probaly naval/joint ill. Going to give him the probios, eletrolytes, 2 qts mils replacer twice daily, and a Ca Mg Cobalt paste type stuff. Said to keep him on the tetracycline for 2 more days for the scours. She said she doesnt use many antibotics and didnt reccomned them if it could be helped. I did pick up some Tyln I believe its called while I was out also incase since it was an earier suggestion. He is acting good and his apetite is good I put some calf starter in with him as well as hay and he nibbles a little.
 
My hats off to you for taking him to the Vet! With luck it's not a navel infection thing, but if it is, you and your daughter need to have a clear line where enough is enough. You will do well with raising cattle, just got in it the hard way. :)

Good luck!
Alan
 
B and L here is a good link for you it should give some insight into illnesses that young calves get.Good luck with him.

http://www.milkproduction.com/Library/A ... simple.htm





ARTICLE

Managing the young calf – keep it simple!
Sheila M. McGuirk


Published: May 28, 2007

The three most important disease problems in the young calf are septicemia, diarrhea and pneumonia.
The disease problems will be discussed but the focus will be on recognizing the factors that put young dairy calves at risk of developing disease and the locations on the dairy that are most apt to act as the source of infection.
Finally, early identification and treatment of sick calves will be discussed.


Introduction
In calf rearing, the difference between health and disease is very often just a slight tip of a delicate balance that weighs calf and environmental factors with the bacterial, viral or parasitic agents to which the calf will be exposed. The infectious agents that are capable of causing scours, pneumonia or septicemia in young calves are ubiquitous. Calves will inevitably be exposed, several may become infected but only a few should get disease if the relevant risk factors are minimized and the sources of infection are diluted or by-passed.
The three most important disease problems in the young calf are septicemia, diarrhea and pneumonia. The disease problems will be discussed but the focus will be on recognizing the factors that put young dairy calves at risk of developing disease and the locations on the dairy that are most apt to act as the source of infection. Finally, early identification and treatment of sick calves will be discussed.

Septicemia
When a calf has septicemia, it has disease producing organisms or their toxins in its blood. Septicemia in calves is usually the result of a bacterial infection that occurs while the calf is in the uterus, during, at or immediately after birth. The route of infection can be the blood of a sick dam, an infected placenta, the calf's umbilical stump, mouth, nose (inhalation) or wound. Septicemia is the most severe medical problem that a calf can develop because the blood-borne infection disseminates and damages many different organs. The bacteria that cause septicemia in calves, many of which are characterized as gram-negative bacteria like E. coli and Salmonella, are difficult and expensive to treat, and survival rate is low. Early signs of septicemia may be subtle but affected calves are usually depressed, weak, reluctant to stand, and suckle poorly within 5 days of birth. Swollen joints, diarrhea, pneumonia, meningitis, cloudy eyes and/or a large, tender navel may develop. Fever is not a consistent finding in septicemic calves; many have normal or subnormal temperatures. Most septicemic calves have a history of inadequate colostrum intake.

Diarrhea
Bacteria, viruses and/or parasites cause diarrhea in calves. Usually, the calf is infected with more than one agent. Typically, the virus, bacteria or parasite is identified from a fecal sample or from the intestines of a dead calf. The agents can be isolated from healthy calves and adult cows as well as calves with diarrhea. Some fecal bacterial isolates, E. coli, Clostridium perfringens, and Campylobacter, are normal intestinal flora. The veterinarian uses the findings from fecal or intestinal exams to determine the most likely cause of the diarrhea problem, to revise vaccination, treatment and disinfection protocols. Knowing the potential pathogen provides incite into the infection source as well as the relevant factors that may have triggered the outbreak. When Salmonella is isolated, antibiotic sensitivity patterns guide the treatment protocols. When viruses and parasites are isolated, antibiotics use is not indicated.
The agents commonly incriminated in calf diarrhea outbreaks are listed below. The age of onset of diarrhea can be used as a guide to the agents most likely to be involved. Unfortunately, the color and consistency of the feces is not a reliable indicator of the cause of diarrhea.

E. coli
Most calves are affected within the first 3 days of life
There are many types of E. coli – some are normal flora, different types cause septicemia; others are invasive; enterotoxigenic E. coli (ETEC) is the most common cause of newborn calf diarrhea
Special tests are needed to identify the E. coli as ETEC
Dehydration is usually severe and may cause death before diarrhea develops
The course of the disease is rapid – from weakness, diarrhea, dehydration to death can be less than 24 hours
Antibiotics rarely affect the outcome of this disease; fluid support is critical to survival
Vaccination of dry cows and good colostrum feeding can eliminate this problem
Salmonella species
This is an important cause of diarrhea and infected calves are at risk of developing septicemia.
This bacteria can also cause pneumonia
Effective antibiotics should be used to prevent bacteremia.
Infections usually occur in 5 to 14 day old calves
Blood and casts of intestines may be seen in the feces
Calves are slow to respond to treatment and are often sick for 1 to 2 weeks
Salmonella dublin infection can make cattle carriers/shedders for life
This organism may be found in unpasteurized waste milk
Clostridium perfringens type C
There are several types of C. perfringens; type C can be a cause of diarrhea
More typically, this causes sudden onset of weakness or death
Colic or nervous system signs may be seen before death
Post mortem examination has characteristic hemorrhage in the intestines
Campylobacter spp.
This is frequently isolated but rarely the cause of calf diarrhea
Rotavirus
Rotavirus is found in feces of many calves between 1 and 30 days of age
There are more than one group and serotypes of rotavirus; the conventional vaccine covers most important one. A newer product offers some additional strains
Not all calves with rotavirus have diarrhea
Diarrhea usually develops between 3 and 7 days
Colostrum from vaccinated cows make protect calves for up to 4 days
The infection may be short lived but the intestinal lining has to recover from damage
Coronavirus
Like rotavirus, it is commonly found in calves, not all of which have diarrhea
Intestinal lining damage is more severe with Coronavirus than rotavirus; because of this, other pathogens can collaborate to produce a severe diarrhea episode
Fecal shedding pattern and diarrhea onset is similar to rotavirus
Colostrum from vaccinated dams will help prevent the disease in calves up to 4 days of age
This has been implicated as a cause of winter dysentery in adult cattle
Bovine Diarrhea Virus (BVDV)
This virus can cause diarrhea in young calves but it is rarely the cause of young calf diarrhea
One of the strains is capable of producing a bleeder syndrome in calves between 4 and 10 weeks of age if they are infected shortly after birth
The virus may also be a factor in pneumonias that develop after weaning
Cryptosporidium parvum
This is an important parasite that is very prevalent on dairies and is capable of producing diarrhea by itself or in combination with other agents
Calves usually are infected shortly after birth and develop diarrhea about 5 or 7 days of age
Organisms can be found in a fecal smear
The organisms survives well in the environment
Calves that do not have good colostral immunity or that are stressed by cold or inadequate nutrition are particularly susceptible
Colostral immunity is not completely protective
A commercial vaccine is not readily available
Currently, there is no treatment that "kills" the organism in an infected calf
Many infections are inapparent
Some preventative treatments can delay shedding of the oocyst in feces
Eimeria spp. (coccidiosis)
Two species are considered important in cattle
Calves between 7 days and 4 to 6 months are considered to be at risk
4 products commonly used in calves are amprolium (Corid®), decoquinate (Deccox®), Lasalocid (Bovatec®) and Monensin (Rumensin®)
Products work at different stages of the life cycle and stop development or kill the organism
Once calves develop diarrhea, this is a very difficult disease to treat
Subclinical infections impair the calf's resistance to other infections and decrease growth
Giardia spp.
Under unusual circumstances, this protozoa may cause diarrhea in 2 to 4 week old calves; it is not a major pathogen

The organism can be found in the feces of normal calves
Despite the fact that the agents differ, the resulting enteritis is remarkably consistent in terms of the presenting clinical picture. Calves with diarrhea consistently have some degree of dehydration. The dehydration can be life threatening, particularly in young calves. Blood glucose levels are low and hypoglycemic coma can develop in calves that are in cold housing and have milk or milk replacer withheld for more than one feeding. Electrolyte abnormalities involving potassium, bicarbonate and sodium are frequently found but these resolve rapidly when fluids are given to correct the dehydration and calves have access to water. For this reason, treatment of calves with diarrhea is primarily supportive. The most important aspects are early recognition and aggressive fluid therapy.

Pneumonia
Calves that develop pneumonia prior to weaning frequently share the same risk factors as those that develop diarrhea – failure or incomplete transfer of immunity from colostrum, prolonged exposure to adult cattle, and/or the ventilation limitations of warm housing. As with diarrhea, frequently more than one agent is identified in an outbreak. Antibiotic therapy is necessary but frequently yields disappointing results. Because of the significant impact that dairy calf pneumonia has on growth and future productivity, early identification and treatment is important but resolution of significant risk factors is imperative! Early vaccination is not an effective means of prevention.

Agents are usually one or a combination of the following:

Pasteurella haemolytica
Pasteurella multocida
Mycoplasma dispar
Mycoplasma bovis
Hemophilus somnus
Actinomyces pyogenes
BVDV
BRSV
IBR/PI3
Salmonella Dublin
The first 3 agents listed are the most important in the young dairy calf. Frequently pneumonia is first recognized right after weaning when calves are grouped for the first time. In many herds, the first episode that occurs prior to weaning and as early as 2 weeks of age is missed. In large herds or groups of calves, ear infections can be a sequella to respiratory disease and are frequently caused by the same agents.

Risk Factors
While the immune system of a calf is functional at birth, it is less responsive than an adult cow, naïve and easily overwhelmed by the bacteria, viruses or parasites in the environment. Prolonged exposure or an increased level of exposure occurs when susceptible dairy calves remain in the calving area, have continued contact with adult cattle, are in contact with affected calves, commingle with sick cows, or are housed in facilities that are under-bedded, warm, damp, humid, or poorly ventilated. Noxious gases, dusts and molds in the air put calves at significant risk for developing pneumonia. Cold housing can reduce the risk of infection, provided calves can be dry and draft-free. Calf to calf contact, crowding, or continuous use of facilities prolongs the survival rate and increases the numbers of pathogens in the environment of the calf, even with cold housing.

Inadequate colostrum intake or absorption puts calves at significant risk of infection – septicemia, enteritis (diarrhea) or pneumonia. Dairy calves should be hand fed 3 quarts (Jerseys, Guernseys, Ayrshires) or 4 quarts (Holsteins, Brown Swiss) of colostrum. The entire volume should be from the first milking of a single cow. Colostrum can be delivered in one or two feedings prior to the calf reaching 12 hours of age. The entire volume can be delivered safely and effectively in a single feeding. Calves can suckle, be fed by esophageal feeder or receive colostrum by a combination of the two methods.

Colostrum should be collected from appropriately prepared cows within 6 hours of freshening. Collection and storage containers should be sanitized between sequential uses. For effective cooling, colostrum should be placed in 2 or 4-quart containers that can be clearly labeled with cow identification and date of collection. Fresh or refrigerated colostrum provides the best combination of antibodies (immunoglobulins), immune cells, other important immune factors (lactoferrin, lysozyme, complement), vitamins and minerals important to the immune system of the calf. The availability of frozen colostrum allows the producer to discard colostrum from cows with mastitis, bloody milk, diarrhea, or Johnes disease and supplement the colostrum from a first calf heifer, purchased animals, or incompletely transitioned cows. Refrigerated colostrum should be used within 1 week and frozen colostrum within 1 year of collection.

Colostrum absorption may be compromised in calves born in extreme heat or cold, calves that have difficult deliveries, abnormal gestational length or those exhibiting respiratory difficulty. Other non-colostral factors that impair immunity of calves are inadequate caloric intake, crude protein deficiency, selenium deficiency, low levels of vitamins A, C or E, reduced stores of copper, manganese, zinc or iron and coccidiosis.

Inadequate caloric intake puts calves at risk for disease. For dairy calves, inappropriate volume, concentration, fat or protein content, mixing or feeding temperature of milk or milk replacer can compromise the immunity of the calf. Failure to provide fresh water and a palatable calf starter that is supplemented with a coccidiostat and presented in a clean feeder will enhance their susceptibility to disease. Consistent feeding practices – timing, presentation, temperature and quality of feeds, personnel and management practices enhance the non-specific immunity of the calf. Make sure that there are adequate feeding utensils to be able to clean and disinfect between uses on sick calves. A dedicated utensil for sick calf use is ideal. This means that there are enough esophageal feeders to dedicate one to each sick calf for that feeding or that day.

Contain risk by reducing calf stress. Stress is imposed when calves are asked to adapt to change. Feed changes – colostrum to whole milk to milk replacer, dilute milk replacer to concentrated milk replacer, milk withdrawal and reintroduction create stress. Each time there is a housing change – maternity pen, warming area, calf hutch, group pen, or transport to a different location – the calf is more susceptible to disease. Depending on timing, amount and type, vaccinations or medications can impose significant health risk to young calves. Keep things simple for calves. Feed a single, large volume feeding of colostrum. At the second feeding, begin feeding the milk replacer or milk that will be the mainstay of the calf's pre-weaning diet. Feed the liquid feed at a consistent time, temperature and concentration throughout the pre-weaning period. Make adjustments in volume or number of feedings for cold temperatures or illness. Provide calf starter within the first week of life. Move the dairy calf from its calving area and place it in its permanent preweaning home as soon as possible after birth. Avoid crowding and competition, particularly before, during and immediately after weaning. Under most circumstances, dairy replacement heifers that receive adequate colostrum from vaccinated dams have little or no need to be vaccinated before weaning.

Infection Source
Persistence of the agents that cause diarrhea, pneumonia and septicemia in the environment is the major reason for outbreaks of calf problems on the dairy. Usually the source of infection is feces (diarrhea and septicemia) – from normal adult cows into shared housing and calves that are non-immune shedders or aerosol (respiratory disease pathogens). Occasionally, water, feeding utensils, rodents, birds, pets, or people can be the source of infection for calves.

Depending on the time of onset of disease, the most likely source of infection can be identified. Problems that occur within 5 days of birth usually have their source as the dam or the calving environment. After 7 days of age, problems develop from a source in the calf environment. If the source of infection can be identified, it can be diluted or by-passed, using one of these strategies:

Ventilation
Bedding changes
Sunlight
Freezing
Disinfectants
Time between occupancy
Space between occupants
Change calving areas
Change location of hutches or calf housing
Eliminate overcrowding
Early identification of sick calves
Successful treatment protocols for diarrhea and pneumonia depend on early identification of sick calves. These criteria can be used to trigger a treatment intervention:

Early morning rectal temperature (taken at the same time everyday for the first week of life or identified risk period) that exceeds 103° F for 2 successive mornings or is accompanied by slow, reduced or no milk intake that feeding.
Slow, reduced or no milk/milk replacer intake
Watery and/or bloody diarrhea
Cough, nasal discharge or labored breathing
Head tilt, umbilical or joint swelling
Weakness, inability or reluctance to rise
Lameness
Supportive care is more valuable than antibiotics. Sick calves must be able to stay clean and dry. Keep it in its own housing area but put fresh bedding down. Administration of warmed fluids is an effective way to raise body temperature. Make sure fresh water is available at least twice daily. Offer milk/milk replacer at the usual dilution and temperature but reduce volume (to 1 qt, for example) and feed more frequently (4 times/day, if needed). What liquid feed isn't consumed, administer by an esophageal feeder that has been cleaned, disinfected and rinsed between calves. Oral fluids are an effective way to correct dehydration provided that the calf is strong enough to stand and has no abdominal distension. Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs like aspirin, banamine or ketoprofen can keep calves eating. Supplementation with probiotics may help restore the intestinal environment, especially after antibiotic use. Use antibiotics when they are known to be effective for the problem that is identified. Antibiotic selection should be based on culture of the bacterial organism from the premises or during the outbreak. The veterinarian should advise you on route, dose and duration of therapy. Responsible use of antibiotics is a must!

In conclusion, the five C's provide an effective formula for managing the young dairy calf.

Colostrum
Cleanliness
Comfort
Calories
Consistency
While the agents that cause disease are always there and can be extremely important in a disease outbreak, a comfortable, clean calf with good colostrum management, consistent feeding and management practices and plenty of calories in the diet can be disease free even if they become infected.
 

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