holly heifer
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:heart: YEA, ALICE!!!! :clap:
backhoeboogie":16oxiihv said:holly heifer":16oxiihv said:;-) And what about the price of a 2008 3/4 ton pick up? retty:
holly, It is just too bad the wife isn't going to buy one of those. I'd prefer her to buy a 1 ton, but I would be okay with a 3/4 diesel. But no. She's got her eye on one of those Buick SUV's and its going to have every option gadget she can load on it, and cost more than a 1 ton. She's already calculated how many more months it is going to take to have enough nickels to go get it. Atleast she's paying cash for it. Probably a $20K loss when she drives off the lot (how much hay would $20K buy?). But it will make her smile and that's okay with me. I don't have to drive it. That is just the way it is and I am okay with it.
ALX.":32aob4nq said:Ahhh, the sounds of the hobbiests crying because the hay folks won't play farmer nicely with them! :lol: :lol:
It's gonna get a LOT worse. With the price of corn ( and now wheat/barley ) hay is under a LOT of pressure.
And I love the hobbiests whining about the horse people!! You pay more than 3$ for a small square so you can say you have cattle and YOU are part of the problem! :lol:
Too funny.
Alice":vfcgondz said:Didn't this whole thing start with someone being concerned about hay dealers creating a false shortage and then jacking up the price like 400% or something like that?
This goes on in the oil and gas industry all the time...and guess who gets it stuck to 'em? Yup, John and Jane Q. Public. I guess the little guys are learning how to do business like the big corporations.
Creating false shortages to jack up the price by 400% is unethical, I don't care who does it or why. If some stock broker did that, he'd be looking at a prison sentence, I think.
Alice
Legacy38464":qi51womo said:So as you can guess the culling got worse and we've went from about 120 to 30 and selling the extra hay. Now were plantng about 200 acres of wheat.....Pastures dead anyway.....
Lammie":33z9tnze said:Yeah, you are right. I need to just fold up and go away...
Lammie":21vvsrdb said:ALX.":21vvsrdb said:Ahhh, the sounds of the hobbiests crying because the hay folks won't play farmer nicely with them! :lol: :lol:
It's gonna get a LOT worse. With the price of corn ( and now wheat/barley ) hay is under a LOT of pressure.
And I love the hobbiests whining about the horse people!! You pay more than 3$ for a small square so you can say you have cattle and YOU are part of the problem! :lol:
Too funny.
Yeah, you are right. I need to just fold up and go away...
ALX.":2m2293jo said:Lammie":2m2293jo said:ALX.":2m2293jo said:Ahhh, the sounds of the hobbiests crying because the hay folks won't play farmer nicely with them! :lol: :lol:
It's gonna get a LOT worse. With the price of corn ( and now wheat/barley ) hay is under a LOT of pressure.
And I love the hobbiests whining about the horse people!! You pay more than 3$ for a small square so you can say you have cattle and YOU are part of the problem! :lol:
Too funny.
Yeah, you are right. I need to just fold up and go away...
No Lammie, not my point at all.
This drought /shortage/gouging talk has been going on for years in here - but I never see in here anyone takes the advice offered.
You gotta think about hay like your life/business depends on it.
How many of the folks with problems bought hay a year or 2 years ahead when they had cheap access?? ( And I wonder if they had been that smart if they would be giving it away now ).
You have to know your cost of production and decide if the cows support you or you support them.
Lots of self-righteous charity BS is spouted in here - but the real world, where real cattlemen and farmers make their living is often a very unforgiving place.Cattlemen do not suffer fools well.
All the BS about artificial shortage - guess what - there is a real shortage and folks IN THE BUSINESS know it.
Alan":bri3ur9q said:backhoeboogie":bri3ur9q said:We have had this discussion before. If you don't like the prices, grow your own. Once you price fertilizer, reality is going to set in hard. Increased diesel prices don't compare to the increase in fertilizer price.
Yea, I know this is not a new topic for me, can you really justify a 400% increase in one year? BTW, most local suppliers in my area do not fertilize. As I did last time you said "grow your own", I thought it wasn't much of a statement (makes zero sense) and showed me you are missing the point. But maybe you can tell me as a hay producer, how you would justify things to your hay buyers holding on to your hay during the haying season so you can bump the price 400% over the year before?
This is not a post about the increasing costs of producing hay (I accept that fact and am willing to price the reasonable inflated price). It's about refusing to sell to regular clients, and jacking the price by 400% in one year..... how would you justify that to your cleints.
I only bring it up again because of the 400 ton I found at 60 per ton, BTW it's a grass alfalfa mix and the cows love it. One guy wants $265 per ton, another (huge hay outlet) wants $60 per ton.... please explain the justification in that.
Alan
Caustic Burno":12k8aq0l said:Alan this goes back to having at least a half winter to a full season in reserve. Have to plan for a rainy day or the lack of, it is part of the business. Option 1 buy the hay grin and bear it 2 cull cows to reduce hay requirements 3 start producing your own.
That is pretty much what I did, while shopping for hay last summer, I discovered some of my suppliers in the past weren't selling hay to anyone in hopes to get big bucks when hay was short. I soon found about 15 ton for about $65 per ton ($2 per bale). I fed it for a couple of months and started shopping again, no local hay for sale, so I bought from a hay exporter good grass/alfalfa mix at $60 per ton. They started with 400 ton, I got 10 ton in the barn before they sold out in 3 days. Of course I told my neighbors and freinds about it so they didn't get stung.... I should be able to get through until grass startes to grow in March.
I think if you looked at the actual cost of a hay field and the equipment it takes to produce it after you finish with your pencil it's still probabaly a bargin.
That's just why Backhoe's comments make no sense.
ALX.":30n9kyoi said:All the BS about artificial shortage - guess what - there is a real shortage and folks IN THE BUSINESS know it.
Jim62":2dqjj6so said:If the local hay suppliers do not fertilize, as you say, they're selling you junk and apparently, you buy it. Never heard of a hay supplier that didn't fertilize his fields.
Alan":3pv1uy8o said:I have talked with a few folk around here and they are about as happy as I am with past suppliers refusing to sell hay just to drive up the price....
Alan
Caustic Burno":20eulpgy said:I think if you looked at the actual cost of a hay field and the equipment it takes to produce it after you finish with your pencil it's still probabaly a bargin.
Alan":3ewohd27 said:You have no idea what the hay inventory is like in my neck of the woods.
Alan