I'd like for you to explain to me how hybrid seed corn can be produced without direct human gene modification.dbr25":1biysai9 said:I think many of you are confusing GMO's with hybrids. GMO corn has only been used since the mid 90's.
ibetyamissedme":2t0iziac said:I'd like for you to explain to me how hybrid seed corn can be produced without direct human gene modification.dbr25":2t0iziac said:I think many of you are confusing GMO's with hybrids. GMO corn has only been used since the mid 90's.
I raise hybrid seed corn I understand it very well, without direct human genetic modification a hybrid cannot exist. Hybrids are thus genetically modified.dbr25":1e6dmjmb said:ibetyamissedme":1e6dmjmb said:I'd like for you to explain to me how hybrid seed corn can be produced without direct human gene modification.dbr25":1e6dmjmb said:I think many of you are confusing GMO's with hybrids. GMO corn has only been used since the mid 90's.
There's no way I could even start to explain that. I'm a grass farmer, I have no idea how hybridization or genetically engineered/ modified or whatever you want to call it works. I do know that hybrids have been around a long, long time. I can however provide links and you can read up on the topic yourself. A few simple google searches took less time than to type this
TexasBred":2t6qw6m6 said:Again....we or "the world" will not be able to continue to feed itself without the GMO products.
ibetyamissedme":v0v7v0j0 said:I raise hybrid seed corn I understand it very well, without direct human genetic modification a hybrid cannot exist. Hybrids are thus genetically modified.
Here what you have is a simple cross breed nothing more, as you have clearly stated same genes as thier parents nothing has been removed. Unlike a hybrid where in fact certain parent genes are removed. Cross breeds and hybrids are not the same. You have cross bred hogs.dbr25":vlz0qzb6 said:I was under the impression the term hybrid, whether talking about plants or animals, was a cross breeding between two or more pure breeds. Mixing of the gene pools. I have hybrid hogs, red wattle/large black sows bred by a hereford boar, but they will still have the same traits as their parents. None have been removed.
These hybrid mules you speak of, what and how were the parent genes removed?Nesikep":3qiamd1u said:Hybrids exist in nature too.. some of them will end up as dead ends (mules)
dbr25":2zjb7yrl said:TexasBred":2zjb7yrl said:Again....we or "the world" will not be able to continue to feed itself without the GMO products.
You stated this as if it were a fact, when it is your opinion.What makes you so sure? It is my opinion that we can produce more than we currently are, without gmo's. See my post about Gabe Brown. http://www.brownsranch.us/ Again, he is no where near the only one doing these things, its just there are a lot of articles and videos about him. And before anyone starts saying he's just speaking about this stuff to make a lot of money at conferences or sell books( he hasn't written any yet), he does all his speaking for free, only asks for travel expenses to be paid. He really is trying to show folks what he has learned for the benefit of other farmers. Here is a really good video of some farmers that visited Gabe and came back to NC and started using cover crops and saw results in the first year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXCLVCJWTU
AllForage":39wg9tbw said:I don't have a dog in this fight but,
I hate the chip on the shoulder cr@p about feeding the world. Who says we are responsible?
Talk to a small seed company guy once about Monsanto. If you agree to sell their stuff they get full access to your books. Mainly to track who is purchasing. They have been harassing seed cleaners for years. It all gets back to the Supreme Court case where plant life was allowed to be patented. Watch out because folks are working to get animal life patented As well.
I realize their is some unwarranted histeria, but there are real stories worldwide that have been terrible.
This is our food supply. They or anyone interested in profit will go as far as needed. Just like we all have a healthy dis-trust for our government, so should you be wary of anyone like Monsanto.
Just my thoughts
you need to read up on hybrid seed corn you have no clue what you are talking about.Nesikep":2b6sel1f said:Oh, and in a hybrid, there are no genes removed. A hybrid is usually desirable because of better vigor, and as someone said, it's a cross of 2 purebred breeds.. That means you get predictability. In a case of where parent 1 has some gene aaBBcc, and parent 2 has AAbbCC, the offspring will invariably have AaBbCc.. Once you have the F2 cross you just have something that has no predictability
ibetyamissedme":1r1p683a said:Cross breeds and hybrids are not the same.
Actually you can through mutation. Take a thousand plants, spray them with small doses of your desired herbicide, "poison" as you call it. What ever plants survive, collect their seeds, and do it again next year. After a while you will have resistant plants.dbr25":2huyzib4 said:ibetyamissedme":2huyzib4 said:Cross breeds and hybrids are not the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid "Hybrid (biology), an offspring resulting from cross-breeding"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(biology)"In biology a hybrid is an offspring of two animals or plants of different breeds, varieties, species, or genera."
Either you are wrong, or wikipedia is. We need to move on. GMO's, or GE crops etc. are not the same as hybrids. This is a fact, not an opinion. I can, with my high school education, produce hybrid plants and hybrid animals on my farm. Just need some seeds and bags for corn, and different breeds for animals. I cannot, however, splice genes in corn, soybeans, cotton etc., to be resistant to poison I might want to spray on it,or to produce a bacteria to get rid of bugs. This is accomplished in a lab somewhere by I can only guess who. Certainly not a dirt- under- fingernails, overalls- wearing, manure- on- boots farmer.
Your guess is as good as mine on the first question. He says 30% above the county average on the other. Lives in a 15" rainfall climate so not huge numbers per acre. Look at Dave Brandt in Ohio for bigger numbers, like over 200 bushel corn and 65-70 bushel soybean.TexasBred":3q9ml07d said:I may have overlooked it but how many people does his farm feed?? What are some of his per acre production numbers on the various crops ??