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Jogeephus":sjwf453d said:
Yeah, the fear of them is what's been holding me up so far. I just don't know if the reward will be worth the headache or the risk. HS had me all pumped up. I have a pretty good business plan, even support from my banker, money is not a real obstacle, would create jobs, I really want to do it, but .... as you say in your reality check ... :cry2: Hence my thoughts on cashing in my chips and sailing south. Maybe I do need a change. A change of latitude.

I wouldn't start any enterprise in this environment. Too much important information is not known such as what asset trash is still on bank balance sheets, etc. Also, when I mentioned cash in the previous posts, cash means money markets, certificates of deposits, short term treasuries, etc. Sometimes, it is better to lose 10% in buying power over a printing dollar time span, than to start a company and lose 25% in the first year. We already lost almost 10% this month in global buying power because the dollar just got crushed.
 
1982vett":e7jyaahw said:
HerefordSire":e7jyaahw said:
1982vett":e7jyaahw said:
Numerous problems-------Just to name a few
FDA
USDA
EPA
But the lawyers and congress will cause the biggest problem.

Remember how our government ripped a little boy out the arms of family for Castro?

Heard they are going to ask you how may toilets you have on the next census. They will also want to know if they flush? :roll:

Wonder if we can get by answering "I don't own any, my famliy owns them"?

Not only do they want to know if you have a toilet that flushes, but also what time you go to work...to the minute. I am afraid it will only get worse. A guest on Fox investment shows this morning advocated lying on the questions so big brother doesn't know the truth. Should be DNA testing before long. Before that happens, expect a tax on sugar products.

Yeah, I heard that too. Advocated? He did say it, but I think more in jest, cause if I'm not mistaken, you attest under penalty, that the information submitted is factual. Lying would put you at risk.

I was referring to the girl Dagen. That is exactly what entered my mind when Dagen said to lie on the paper.
 
:oops: Goes to show I was listening and not watching, but then with 2 - 4 people screaming at the same time makes it hard to figure who said what or what was said at all. :mad:
 
HerefordSire":2uzw3a5l said:
I wouldn't start any enterprise in this environment. Too much important information is not known such as what asset trash is still on bank balance sheets, etc. Also, when I mentioned cash in the previous posts, cash means money markets, certificates of deposits, short term treasuries, etc. Sometimes, it is better to lose 10% in buying power over a printing dollar time span, than to start a company and lose 25% in the first year. We already lost almost 10% this month in global buying power because the dollar just got crushed.

I have been very frugal in my ways and am what I think you called a netter of interest instead of an interest payer. That was a hard hill to climb but I made it. Only thing I owe is my house and since I made accelerated payments when the sun was shining I owe very little on that. What I don't like is non working money and I don't want its value eroded by Washington. Based on my calculations, I can produce 3 times less product and still make the same profit. It is also very possible to double that income if I set it up a cerain way. So every way I look at it I see favorable returns. But then there is the matter of volume. I don't have a good handle on this but have polled people and done little experiments to try and feel this out. Bottom line is I'm almost positive it will work. But I always take baby steps and feel the water and I never dive in head first. I've arranged my business plan in such a way that I can step into this with cash. If the first phase works then it can be expanded to the second phase and so on. I will not require any financial help from a bank until I get to the sixth phase of the project. I also believe in having escape routes. I have two. One involves what you might call corporate blackmail. Its completely legal but "they" may not like what I have in mind and "they" just might buy me out of my plans. I've already been approached twice on this and I have set the price at $750,000. We're just playing poker now. ;-) Sorry for the long post.
 
Jogeephus":2vngf17n said:
HerefordSire":2vngf17n said:
I wouldn't start any enterprise in this environment. Too much important information is not known such as what asset trash is still on bank balance sheets, etc. Also, when I mentioned cash in the previous posts, cash means money markets, certificates of deposits, short term treasuries, etc. Sometimes, it is better to lose 10% in buying power over a printing dollar time span, than to start a company and lose 25% in the first year. We already lost almost 10% this month in global buying power because the dollar just got crushed.

I have been very frugal in my ways and am what I think you called a netter of interest instead of an interest payer. That was a hard hill to climb but I made it. Only thing I owe is my house and since I made accelerated payments when the sun was shining I owe very little on that. What I don't like is non working money and I don't want its value eroded by Washington. Based on my calculations, I can produce 3 times less product and still make the same profit. It is also very possible to double that income if I set it up a cerain way. So every way I look at it I see favorable returns. But then there is the matter of volume. I don't have a good handle on this but have polled people and done little experiments to try and feel this out. Bottom line is I'm almost positive it will work. But I always take baby steps and feel the water and I never dive in head first. I've arranged my business plan in such a way that I can step into this with cash. If the first phase works then it can be expanded to the second phase and so on. I will not require any financial help from a bank until I get to the sixth phase of the project. I also believe in having escape routes. I have two. One involves what you might call corporate blackmail. Its completely legal but "they" may not like what I have in mind and "they" just might buy me out of my plans. I've already been approached twice on this and I have set the price at $750,000. We're just playing poker now. ;-) Sorry for the long post.

I would think paying off your house could be more valuable than anything you could make not because of the dollar difference, but for psychological reasons (or in case of a depression), provided you have six months of emergency cash. In my experience, the higher the risk, the higher the return. There is no free lunch. However, there is a market perception of specfic risk and the reality of a specific risk. If you are trying to increase market share, for example, smaller profit margins can be justified. Sometimgs, higher volume is necessary to keep the profit the same or just to stay in business. Short term losses are not necessarily bad as long as you are moving your product. It sounds like you are thinking about everything wisely and appropriately. Starting a business and staying in business is so difficult even if the enviroment is good (mainly because of capital requirements). However, as you mentioned, being too conservative can result in the same outcome. We are being forced to invest and take on higher than average risk just to exceeed currency debasement and inflation.
 
The stock is worthless.

Two governments, the UAW, and bond holders now own GM. The stockholders have wallpaper (if they hold a certificate).
 
dieselbeef":20udgctd said:
why not..govt guaranteed now and its less than a buck...cant go anywhere but up


Good questions. The total stock value is expected to be worthless because the company will owe more than the company has assets. The company is not guaranteed by the government. Even the government (us) and the unions and the remaining investors can lose 100%. I am thinking the company will be private anytime now and you should see the value move to zero if it is not already zero, but I am not sure.
 
Edit....we are on the verge of shafting the Chinese people. This is not publisized, but if you listen to the Chinese leaders, they want to get weaned off the dollar because they know we will print the heck out of it. This could cause a war. Tim is over in China right now speaking of this exact subject. What I don't know is if GM has anything to do with the visit.

Listen to this salesman....

Chinese students laugh at Geithner's assurances

BEIJING -- U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Monday reassured the Chinese government that its huge holdings of dollar assets are safe and reaffirmed his faith in a strong U.S. currency.

A major goal of Geithner's maiden visit to China as Treasury chief is to allay concerns that Washington's bulging budget deficit and ultra-loose monetary policy will fan inflation, undermining both the dollar and U.S. bonds.

China is the biggest foreign owner of U.S. Treasury bonds. U.S. data shows that it held $768 billion in Treasuries as of March, but some analysts believe China's total U.S. dollar-denominated investments could be twice as high.

"Chinese assets are very safe," Geithner said in response to a question after a speech at Peking University, where he studied Chinese as a student in the 1980s.

His answer drew loud laughter from his student audience, reflecting scepticism in China about the wisdom of a developing country accumulating a vast stockpile of foreign reserves instead of spending the money to raise living standards at home.

The Beijing-based Global Times greeted Geithner by publishing a survey of Chinese economists who called big holdings of U.S. debt "risky."

Geithner renewed pledges that the Obama administration would cut its huge fiscal deficits and promised "very disciplined" future spending, possibly including reintroduction of pay-as-you-go budget rules instead of nonstop borrowing.

"We have the deepest and most liquid markets for risk-free assets in the world. We're committed to bring our fiscal deficits down over time to a sustainable level.

"We believe in a strong dollar ... and we're going to make sure that we repair and reform the financial system so that we sustain confidence," he said.

Geithner also offered strong backing for a bigger Chinese role in international policymaking.

"China is already too important to the global economy not to have a full seat at the international table," he said.

Geithner, who is due to meet President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao during two days of talks, described the recession as still "powerful and dangerous" in much of the world.

Recent signs of improvement were not enough to change an International Monetary Fund prediction that world output would shrink this year for the first time in 60 years. And credit was likely to be tight for some time, Geithner said.

But he added: "The global recession seems to be losing force."

Moreover, the U.S. financial system was healing and it now seemed assured that the world would avoid financial collapse and deflation.

But Geithner said there could be no return to business as usual either for the United States or China: Both must change their growth strategies as U.S. consumers pay down debt after years of living beyond their means.

For China, which he said was in "an enviably strong position" that meant reducing its dependence on export-oriented growth.

"Purchases of U.S. consumers cannot be as dominant a driver of growth as they have been in the past," he said.

"In China ... growth that is sustainable will require a very substantial shift from external to domestic demand, from an investment and export-intensive growth to growth led by consumption."

To that end, Geithner said, a more flexible exchange-rate regime for the yuan, which would almost certainly see the value of the Chinese currency rise against the dollar, was particularly important because it would spur more Chinese demand.

A stronger yuan would make imports cheaper for China and Chinese exports more costly for foreign buyers.

Geithner offered U.S. backing for a higher-profile role for China in running global institutions including the IMF -- a controversial proposition since it raises the sensitive issue of reducing Europe's voting share in the global lender.

"The United States will fully support having China play a role in the principal cooperative arrangements that help shape the international system, a role that is commensurate with China's importance in the global economy," he said.

In words clearly intended to soothe Chinese concerns that its vibrant export economy might be targeted by U.S. lawmakers who are feeling pressure from soaring American joblessness, Geithner said the Obama administration would resist any such moves.

"As we go through the severe stresses of this crisis, we must not turn our backs on open trade and investment," he said. "In return, we expect increased opportunities to export to and invest in the Chinese economy."

Geithner said he was hopeful that General Motors Corp. and Chrysler would be able to stand on their own feet once they emerge from bankruptcy.

GM will file for bankruptcy on Monday, U.S. officials said, forcing the 100-year-old automaker once seen as a symbol of American economic might into a new and uncertain era of government ownership.

"We want a quick, clean exit as soon as conditions permit," Geithner said. "We're very optimistic these firms will emerge (from restructuring) without further government assistance."

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Geithner renewed pledges that the Obama administration would cut its huge fiscal deficits and promised "very disciplined" future spending, possibly including reintroduction of pay-as-you-go budget rules instead of nonstop borrowing.

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VanC":epusj6st said:
Geithner renewed pledges that the Obama administration would cut its huge fiscal deficits and promised "very disciplined" future spending, possibly including reintroduction of pay-as-you-go budget rules instead of nonstop borrowing.

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Exactly, Van. If the magic chart from a previous thread is correct, then all the cuts in the world, come the 4th year, won't make any difference because, odds are, a new administration will come into power. Therefore, buy Treasury investments at their lowest value point (4th year) and then hold for a year or two, cash in. OR, just buy Smith & Wesson stock now.
 
GM to Produce One Horsepower Carriage

Power Not Included

by Walt Urnative
Atrociated Press.

LANCASTER, Mich. - In an effort to support manufacturing jobs and help the environment, GM announced it will produce horse driven carriages. The motorized carriage will be phased out by the year 2018 to meet the standards of the Energy and Fair Labor Bill.

United Auto Workers spokesman Hugh Slesswerk said, "this is a milestone for working families. Gone are the days of ever-increasing layoffs, and outsourcing of American jobs. Our new powerless method of manufacturing will save energy and ensure that it takes several times longer to produce our product, thus creating job security. A new contract is being negotiated to prevent the hiring of nonunion labor and Amish advisers will be appointed, provided they join the union."

Some models are expected to sell for as low as $8,000 but the power source is the most expensive option and it is not included. Instead of using an engine as a propulsion method, a locomotive animal known as a horse can be attached to the vehicle to supply power. Horses need to fill up multiple times per day on an energy source known as food. The food is typically made up of oats, fruit, or hay. Water too must be added several times daily. It acts as a coolant. Unlike the gasoline engine, horses must be fed even on days when the carriage is not driven. Horses are believed to run cleaner than petroleum fueled cars, but they do emit methane gas.

"This is a great day for America," said Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. "Soon the streets will be flooded with a revolutionary earth friendly technology: the horse and buggy. Now consumers will have the option to buy one hundred percent American made transports. Why anyone would choose a cheap foreign gas guzzling hybrid is beyond me, which is why we're legally removing that option. Finally, real environmental progress is being made. The nonmotorized carriage marks the start of a new age: an age of green."

According to the EPA, buggies are not the only things that will flood the streets. There will be brown, and lots of it. The EPA predicts a "drastic drop" in carbon emissions, though "much more aromatic horse emissions will skyrocket." Studies have begun on the effects of excremental waste on shoes, carpeting and lungs. The horse dung industry is expecting record growth next quarter.
 
gm stock went up all day yesterday...i didnt buy soon enuff...save this post im on my way to retirement and a silver spoon for my son!

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We now own 60 to 70 per cent of GM so does that mean we all get a company vehicle if so I want a loaded diesel dully, that brings another thought , what if when this all started last fall the Gov. had bought each working person an American vehicle , made in America of their choice,look at all the employment it would have created all across America seems like it would be better than the bail out and unemployment is still rising, and all these employeed people would be paying taxes , not collecting taxes.
 
missed my shot by one day...wouldnt transact til today and theyre offa the stk mrkt...dammit...back to werk :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:
 
cowboy43":2stlf7ej said:
We now own 60 to 70 per cent of GM so does that mean we all get a company vehicle if so I want a loaded diesel dully, that brings another thought , what if when this all started last fall the Gov. had bought each working person an American vehicle , made in America of their choice,look at all the employment it would have created all across America seems like it would be better than the bail out and unemployment is still rising, and all these employeed people would be paying taxes , not collecting taxes.

Sorry, Cowboy, but Gummint Motors will only build green vehicles and that dooley won't make the cut. :)
 

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