Bright Raven":2q1knmmi said:
BK9954":2q1knmmi said:
Nesikep":2q1knmmi said:
How do you feel about the other constitutional rights?
Been off the thread, I believe in the Constitution. I am a modern fiscal conservative libertarian. Let me have my God and guns and
whatever else I want, and I wont force it on you. You and your boyfriend can get married, you can be a satanist, call yourself transgender, go smoke yourself into a marijuana heaven, whatever, but
dont force it on me and my children or make us do it. I think government should get out of our lives. They shouldnt be involved in marriage, education, labor, healthcare and all that stuff and use MY tax dollars to do it. Being a modern libertarian means that I dont believe that we shouldnt have roads built by the State government or have law enforcement, government does have a role to play in society, but we were built to be a republic capitalistic Society, with the States having more jurisdiction and rights.
1. "whatever else I want" - What else do you want in addition to your God and guns?
2. "dont force it on me and my children or make us do it" - Did anyone ever try to force transgender or Satanism on You?
3. The government shouldn't be involved in education? I guess medical doctors, veterinarians, engineers, etc. will get their education in Saudi Arabia?
4. So you don't believe the government should provide Medicare? I hope you have enough money to take care of your elderly parents.
5. You don't think American labor needs government support? Are you for bringing back child labor? Are you aware of the scope of government involvement in labor? Do you want the government to step out of the way and open US labor markets to foreign interest? US labor markets would be decimated if it was not for US restrictions on foreign labor.
6. If your neighbor is poor and they have a child born with a rare genetic disorder that requires dialysis. If they cannot afford the necessary treatment... Well, just let them worry about that. If the baby has to die, I guess it is better for all involved.
7. Don't complain when your water is unfit to drink. Or your child who has asthma is ill because the air is polluted with industrial chemicals.
Big talk! But be careful what you think you really want.
Well Bright Raven, dont get bent out of shape after hearing an opposing view. I am not a fool, had this discussion many times, lets proceed and lay it out reasonably. This thread may not be enough, it took a whole evening of debate over a campfire on a hunting trip before I saw the light and converted.
1. I want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So whatever makes me happy as long as I dont endanger or encrouch on others in the process.
2. No not satanism. But what about letting boys shower or use the restroom with girls because of whatever gender they identify with. Thats one example. Dont force that on my kids. What about taxing me for public schools so I cant afford private, then shoving a liberal agenda propaganda down the kids throats. Oh, and if the kids doesnt go to school, parent can go to jail, land of the free?
3. Private schools provide a better education then any public school, thats a fact! Dont tax for the schools and let me choose which private school I want my kids to go to. The one with the best education will stay in business, capitalism will work. Whats the last great accomplishment the Department of Education did can you tell me? Why are we paying for it. Also while on government in schools, how did Michelle Obama'a healthy lunch mandate go? Oh, millions of tons of food in the trash, glad our tax dollars paid for those free healthy lunches in the dump.
4. If we didnt have this massive federal gov. and had a true free market you would have more money then you do now. Who spends your money better? The governement or you? So you would rather pay medicare taxes into a gov. system your whole life when they waste half of it in red tape? Why not put that money straight into a personal medical account? You wouldnt have to buy supplemental insurance because medicare doesnt pay. Some doctors wont even take it.
5. Do you really believe in the minimum wage and that it is helpful? If so I can private message you some information. Is all the regulation helping or hurting growth. Its hurting if you didnt know. We have already opened up our workforce to foreign interest. Our economy should be market based. Our wages should be market based. If the government got out we could pay double per hour of what we pay now. The problem we have is we are suffocated by so many regulations and taxes that we suffer. The employer pays federal taxes on top of your wages that you pay taxes on too. Would you rather you keep your social security money out if your check, I would. I can invest better then Uncle Sam. Oh and closing the border would help wages. Now being a modern libertarian, if a market is critical to our national sovereignty, government may play a role, like in strategic oil resources.
6. Back before the government took care of everyone, and society got on Uncle Sams nipple, the church used to be a place to go. The community can come together, just like you see now when we do BBQ fundraisers for people undergoing cancer treatments. Also insurance would be cheaper if it was an open market. People could afford it if government got out of the way, quit taxing you for useless wasteful programs, and you would be bringing home a bigger paycheck.
7. Never said I was in favor of allowing anyone to pollute the enviroment. As I said in my first statement, government does play a role in society, that would be one. My libertarian message is that as long as it does not harm me. If you run chemicals in my creek you did harm to me, government has a role to play there. The problem we have is the politicians have used the EPA as a power tool. They have use stupid regulations to confiscate people's property. Obama used it to shut the coal industry down. Thats government out of control.
A libertarian is not about dirty water, bad education, bad pay and poor medical care. The free market lets the ones that arent good, or profitable fail, and another one that is better can take its place. Just like what SHOULD have happened when they bailed the banks out in 2008. A private company can usually do whatever the government does more efficiently and profitably. Look at FEDEX, UPS and The United States Postal Service. The problem you have here is the wool has been pulled over your head slowly, an inch at a time, so it seems normal. This could be the land of the free. A libertarian wants a true " land of the free" but where we are now is a Big Brother telling you how to speak, work, what doctor to go to, what medicine you can take, where and when to go to school, deciding what you will learn, and making you pay for it all. Our founding fathers would be crapping themselves if they saw this. I love my country and love my state. I am a patriot. Its sad what has happened. The only way to change is to have an awakening and change the vote. The only way to do that is to spread the message, its a whole new way of looking at things. The way we are heading is collapsing, the younger generation wants nothing to do with it. All they have to go on is the liberal propoganda they have learned in our public school system. If they get informed they can swing the vote the "right" way. Libertarianism appeals to a wide variety of cultures,religions and races, and encorporates freedom and fiscal conservative principles.
Libertarian is the fastest growing party in the US. The Republicans have turned so many off and become just like the Dems in many ways and the Dems dont have a message. People are sick of it.