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Here's a read that is quite interesting. He defines the Kraken (not the sea animal some believed).


According to the CIA’s own information operations centre

“Kraken is a Department of Defense cyber warfare program that tracks and hacks other systems to acquire evidence of nefarious actions of other nations and enemies.” (Hat tip to Pam Geller Reports)

Here's the article. https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/19050/trump-will-win-heres-why/
The Kraken is an animal from Scandinavian folklore. It is fictional just like the claims of voter fraud. I would put the odds of SCOTUS accepting the appeal at .01 percent.
 

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Bet you won’t bet on that either.

We will see in January but I don’t think it will be settled until they get the Bible out. Seems to be a lot more absentee ballots returned than mailed out in several states. According to official state websites that have been since taken down even. I am sure it was a clerical error. Better hope SCOTUS doesn‘t hear it one Judge has already laid out how election rules were broken and therefore it should be sent to the House.

Wanna know why people support him. He won’t quit and knuckle under. This is the very reason he got elected the first time and quite possibly the second. This is not foolish arrogance either despite the fact he has plenty of it. Hate him all you want the man is a scrapper and I gotta admire him for that. He tells his share of lies like any politician but when it come down to grits and gravy important stuff the man keeps his word or goes down swinging.
 

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Bet you won’t bet on that either.

We will see in January but I don’t think it will be settled until they get the Bible out. Seems to be a lot more absentee ballots returned than mailed out in several states. According to official state websites that have been since taken down even. I am sure it was a clerical error. Better hope SCOTUS doesn‘t hear it one Judge has already laid out how election rules were broken and therefore it should be sent to the House.

Wanna know why people support him. He won’t quit and knuckle under. This is the very reason he got elected the first time and quite possibly the second. This is not foolish arrogance either despite the fact he has plenty of it. Hate him all you want the man is a scrapper and I gotta admire him for that. He tells his share of lies like any politician but when it come down to grits and gravy important stuff the man keeps his word or goes down swinging.
Just for the record, I wanted to bet a steak dinner and I would have won, bigley. I don't bet cash ever. Vote for and support who you want, but at least be honest about the facts.
 

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The Kraken is an animal from Scandinavian folklore. It is fictional just like the claims of voter fraud. I would put the odds of SCOTUS accepting the appeal at .01 percent.
Do you really think voter fraud is pure fiction? there probably isn't too much fraud in rural states like Ky. and TN. in a presidential election because of the overwhelming conservative base....its not worth the effort. But in battleground states that's another story.
Saying voter fraud is just fiction is like saying Enron was telling the truth to its employees and that it wasn't cooking the books.
 

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Do you really think voter fraud is pure fiction? there probably isn't too much fraud in rural states like Ky. and TN. in a presidential election because of the overwhelming conservative base....its not worth the effort. But in battleground states that's another story.
Saying voter fraud is just fiction is like saying Enron was telling the truth to its employees and that it wasn't cooking the books.
I have yet to see one iota of proof of fraud other than a bunch of talk. If there was really any proof at all, don't you think it would have been produced in one of the 36 now 38 court cases? Rudy even said in court that they had no proof of any fraud and so did other of the campaign lawyers. They have to tell the truth to the Judge or face disbarment. They say one thing in Court and then say another for the press.

Read the Appellate Court Opinion released a couple of days ago. It was authored by a Trump-appointed Judge.
I get it that folks are passionate about Trump and I am not, but he lost, fair and square. He pulled the same stuff during the 2016 primary when he lost one state to Cruz. He said it was fraudulent. It is always fraudulent in his mind when he loses. He started laying the groundwork for this months ago when he said the only way he could lose is if it was "rigged". This was going to be his excuse all along.

If it was all rigged, the Democrats forgot to fix it so that they won the Senate too. 3 weeks ago I would have said that there was little chance of the Democrats winning the GA Senate seats. Now, I am not so sure. Trump's people say the Republican Governor and Sec. of State rigged the election against Trump. We are on the third count and it will not change the results. They are only disenfranchising their own voters at this point.
 
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"And in those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes Judges 21:25
Brethren of faith, I would remind you to stand strong with the knowledge that the Accuser's (Godless Socialism) flank is aways exposed to the
light of truth. After years of broken promises our Embassy stands as a testament in Jerusalem. Who can we thank for that? Certainly not the
imaginary office of the president elect! Anyone with a modicum of honesty would readily agree a good deal of the credit goes to President Trump.

Certainly Mr. Trump is no David and I would certainly hope he does not take it upon himself to dance naked before the Lord! However; if he did I
can assure anyone there would be a throng of Abigails around. I know the days grow short and the darkness of tyranny looms over us but let me
take you back to the 7th of June 1967. It was the dawn of second day of the six day war. That was the day the Israeli 55th Paratrooper Brigade
took the Temple Mount in what turned out to be in a mostly unplanned haphazad attack. The details you can read for yourselves.

If you are one who believes and states that a woman has a right to her own body (she does until it becomes a harbor) on one hand and on the other
carries a banner for Black Lives Matter then you have no sense of propriety or truth. This is certainly no time for good men to be silent. To the extent that time .and fortune permits I urge you to let your legislaters know where you stand and give support in anyway to help them achieve that goal.
As a nation we will eventually receive the govrnment we deserve. As a person, rest in the knowledge that a Strong Right Arm is there for all who
keep the faith.
Love, Blessings and Mercy to anyone dealing with the Covid in these perilous times.
 

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This is what reputable people witnessed and reported.

Posted on a fighter pilot forum

Here’s what a friend of mine who was actually at the Detroit election counters as a watcher said. By the way he’s a Viper and a Hawg driver now furloughed from Delta doing is civic duty with his fee time.
I was in the TCF Center from 1141 to 2000 on the fourth. Gave my affidavit to RNC lawyers
I observed the center locking out my fellow Republican challengers until we only had a few challengers covering 140 ballot counting tables.
I watched hand imputing voter information including making up birthdates ... one In particular... 01/01/1900 for a 58 year old man who lives in Detroit. I found out his true age later on the internet. In other words.... he wasn't registered to vote.
I was appalled at the military ballot process. They actually transfer the information by hand from normal paper which is mailed in .. to official ballots. Their accuracy rate was maybe 50%. I pointed out inaccuracies to the people doing them (whom I wasn't supposed to talk to) and the supervisors of the tables.... but rarely did they listen and correct the inaccuracies. It was very disheartening.
One of my fellow republicans watched a table fill out three ballots for one military ballot. Yep.... that military person had three votes for Joe Biden.
One of my tables lost 8 ballots....... never found them. They were never processed anywhere. Nobody seemed to care. They could have been opened and thrown out ...... who knows.
Lest you think it is isolated..... around five pm the guy up front started calling certain table supervisors over to talk to him. He started with tables 1 thru 10. By about 1830 he got to my tables when he called 90 to 134.... I was watching the 131 to 134 or so.
Anyway after he called those 20 supervisors together.... that's when my supervisor came back with 4 unregistered voter ballots which she then instructed her inspectors to process. So multiply 20 times 4 and that's at least 80 unregistered voters for those 49 tables. Who knows what he was instructing the other 90 tables which I couldn't watch. I walked over to table 126 and they were doing the same thing. Typing in unregistered voters.
 

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If there was fraud I hope they are able to produce evidence. So many people witnessing misdeeds taking place; too bad none of them had a cell phone so they could have recorded it. It's just like the time I saw bigfoot, but that`s a story for another day.
 

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If there was fraud I hope they are able to produce evidence. So many people witnessing misdeeds taking place; too bad none of them had a cell phone so they could have recorded it. It's just like the time I saw bigfoot, but that`s a story for another day.
In all fairness Chris, I will say that no cameras are allowed in polling places. But both sides had an equal number of official observers in the polling centers (regardless of what you hear from the spin), and there has yet to be any evidence of fraud.
 

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As an attorney I would think that you would see signed affidavits under the penalty of perjury as evidence and there are plenty of those. Secondly collecting evidence in a case of this magnitude takes a lot of time, votes were just finishing being counted in these last few weeks. The decision handed down thus far are on early filed suits and this is why as more evidence is put forth more suits are filed. Just how fast could you and your crack legal team put together a case of this size across 7 states? Get off the Trump/ anti Trump media and the fact is it is far from settled no matter what side you are on.

The true shame is that there is no factual unbiased media outlet for the public to turn to anymore. Not in regards to the election, the virus or the crimes in this country. This is truly where these conspiracy theories are born from is there is no truth to trust anymore for those not smart enough to see for themselves.

We truly are going to have to find a way to get this country back to the middle and some common ground and media just drives the hate from both sides. We need to focus on where this virus came from and where we made mistakes handling it more than who made mistakes ( the President, CDC,and WHO etc. share equal blame here). Buy American, build American, and prepare America for what may and most certainly will be in its future. The media won’t push that agenda and that is what should be on the forefront of every Americans mind.
 

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One thing I'm sure of. I'm not believing anything I hear from either side. I'm just going to hope for the best and plan for the worst. Get ready to work twice as hard for half.
Hope the scotus protects our constitution so the people don't have to.......I sure wish Rudy would quit peddling cigars , and I'm going for the free phone this time round..lol

 

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As an attorney I would think that you would see signed affidavits under the penalty of perjury as evidence and there are plenty of those. Secondly collecting evidence in a case of this magnitude takes a lot of time, votes were just finishing being counted in these last few weeks. The decision handed down thus far are on early filed suits and this is why as more evidence is put forth more suits are filed. Just how fast could you and your crack legal team put together a case of this size across 7 states? Get off the Trump/ anti Trump media and the fact is it is far from settled no matter what side you are on.

The true shame is that there is no factual unbiased media outlet for the public to turn to anymore. Not in regards to the election, the virus or the crimes in this country. This is truly where these conspiracy theories are born from is there is no truth to trust anymore for those not smart enough to see for themselves.

We truly are going to have to find a way to get this country back to the middle and some common ground and media just drives the hate from both sides. We need to focus on where this virus came from and where we made mistakes handling it more than who made mistakes ( the President, CDC,and WHO etc. share equal blame here). Buy American, build American, and prepare America for what may and most certainly will be in its future. The media won’t push that agenda and that is what should be on the forefront of every Americans mind.
I have seen no such affidavits. And neither has any judges yet. I have heard a lot of talk about them. But no court proof. If they really existed, don't you think at least one judge would have paid attention.

And as for something just posted on a forum on the internet, that means nothing to me. Show me proof and not talk and spin. There is a reason every single case has been thrown out. People can believe whatever they want, but the facts are the facts and the Trump Campaign has yet to produce one single fact showing fraud in any Court, and in fact, they have been scolded for filing frivolous lawsuits.

You either believe in democracy or you don't.
 

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I found this interesting. It covers distrust in previous years. Trump, Giuliani should accept election results. We've had enough crazy (courier-journal.com)

This is not a new thing. When elections are reasonably close, the losing side has a hard time accepting the outcome - regardless of party. Is there voter fraud? I am sure there is every time - some accidental and some on purpose. Is it big enough to affect the outcome? Probably not. Has it ever affected the outcome of an election? Most likely has, probably not in a presidential election, but who knows. Should we be concerned about the integrity of the process? Absolutely! Should more be done to ensure that only legally registered voters be allowed to cast only one ballot? How could anyone disagree with that? Should we all accept the outcome when the vote was fair and honest? That is the basis of our country. Is it OK to cheat if your side wins? Not in my opinion, but I sadly think many people would disagree.
Should we have a uniform set of rules for elections for all states? That merits discussion, but our country was founded on the idea to limit federal government with states retaining power to make decisions and rules for themselves. I think many overlook this now and would like to see the federal government have MORE power.
One issue I see is with voter registration lists. People move and register based on their new address. I suspect we do a POOR job of removing the voter from the voter list at the old address. If we are going to mail ballots to everyone on every list, there should be a system in place to ensure that each legally registered voter is only on one list. How do we get the dead people off the lists? When people are registered at shopping malls, what systems are in place to ensure that they are legally eligible to vote? I just don't know the answer to that. I think the more mobile/transient a person is, the more likely they are to have multiple voter registrations. After 30 years at my previous address, my wife and I built a new house and moved 6 years ago. We went to the county registration office to register at our new address. Soon after we moved, my son received in the mail a voter registration card at our new address (he does not live here). He had moved away from the old address years before we moved. He does not have any idea why he received a new voter registration card at our new address. He did nothing to request a new registration.

I believe that political contributions to candidates should ONLY come from individuals eligible to vote in the election for that candidate. Not from out of state/district/county and not from companies or groups. We have gone way too far with money spent and where money comes from.

Now here is where I open myself up for criticism. People can come to this country and become a citizen. They have to take a test about our country and rules. They study for that test. People born in this country do not have to demonstrate any understanding of anything in order to participate. Would it be beneficial to have all voters have some basic understanding of a few principles?
 

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Now here is where I open myself up for criticism. People can come to this country and become a citizen. They have to take a test about our country and rules. They study for that test. People born in this country do not have to demonstrate any understanding of anything in order to participate. Would it be beneficial to have all voters have some basic understanding of a few principles?
Good post. I don't fundamentally disagree with the principle of requiring voters to have some civic understanding, but I think it's very difficult if not impossible to implement fairly. Who decides what is essential knowledge and what is not? How do we prevent it from becoming a political weapon? We've already determined that poll taxes and literacy tests for voting rights are unconstitutional, for good reason.
 

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As an attorney I would think that you would see signed affidavits under the penalty of perjury as evidence and there are plenty of those. Secondly collecting evidence in a case of this magnitude takes a lot of time, votes were just finishing being counted in these last few weeks. The decision handed down thus far are on early filed suits and this is why as more evidence is put forth more suits are filed. Just how fast could you and your crack legal team put together a case of this size across 7 states? Get off the Trump/ anti Trump media and the fact is it is far from settled no matter what side you are on.

The true shame is that there is no factual unbiased media outlet for the public to turn to anymore. Not in regards to the election, the virus or the crimes in this country. This is truly where these conspiracy theories are born from is there is no truth to trust anymore for those not smart enough to see for themselves.

We truly are going to have to find a way to get this country back to the middle and some common ground and media just drives the hate from both sides. We need to focus on where this virus came from and where we made mistakes handling it more than who made mistakes ( the President, CDC,and WHO etc. share equal blame here). Buy American, build American, and prepare America for what may and most certainly will be in its future. The media won’t push that agenda and that is what should be on the forefront of every Americans mind.
As an attorney, I would think you are also familiar with Rule 12(b)(6) and the need to invoke Rule 11 in these unfounded cases. I suspect that you know that an affidavit doesn't have validity unless the affiant is available for cross, too. You know, under penalty of perjury.
When Trump's appointee called the case "beyond cavil," that would indicate to those with a modicum of a vocabulary that the matter is not "far from settled," but just the opposite.
Your disdain for the media reeks of a disdain for what they report. I, too, avoid overtly opinionated "news," but I bristle at the abject dismissal of established media entities because the refuse to repeat unfounded garbage.
I wish you the best and keep on farming!
 

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As an attorney, I would think you are also familiar with Rule 12(b)(6) and the need to invoke Rule 11 in these unfounded cases. I suspect that you know that an affidavit doesn't have validity unless the affiant is available for cross, too. You know, under penalty of perjury.
When Trump's appointee called the case "beyond cavil," that would indicate to those with a modicum of a vocabulary that the matter is not "far from settled," but just the opposite.
Your disdain for the media reeks of a disdain for what they report. I, too, avoid overtly opinionated "news," but I bristle at the abject dismissal of established media entities because the refuse to repeat unfounded garbage.
I wish you the best and keep on farming!
I don't understand what you are saying. Rule 12(b)(6) and Rule 11 really have nothing to do with each other. Rule 12(b)(6) is the failure to state a claim and Rule 11 sanctions for an attorney that submits a pleading intended to mislead, harass or delay. And, an Affidavit or Declaration are both under penalty of perjury by definition. There is no need for a cross if the Affidavit or Declaration puts nothing at issue. That has been the case so far. Nothing at all to indicate any fraud in any case.

As to the quote, I believe you are referring to the legislator lawsuit where the PA Supreme Court held that they were too late to file a challenge just because they did not like the result of the vote. There was no Fraud allegation in that case, just that they didn't like mail-in voting. The Court basically said that if they wanted to challenge it, they should have done so at the beginning and not after the fact.

As to the media, I long for the days of Walter Cronkite and the just the facts reporting. The networks with all the Opinion nighttime shows are not news, they are opinion. And, I lump all of them in that category, not just MSNBC and Fox. I really don't know much about the newcomers Newsmax and OAN.
 
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