CalicrateI use Vision CDT. Try to give 2 doses. 1 a couple weeks before and then when we band. Doesn't always happen.
Sounds like big calves. What type of bander are you using?
CalicrateI use Vision CDT. Try to give 2 doses. 1 a couple weeks before and then when we band. Doesn't always happen.
Sounds like big calves. What type of bander are you using?
My recollection is that there is a response giving protective levels after 10 days after the primary shot but it falls away quickly to non protective levels after about 4 wks but when the 2nd shot is given it gives an immediate response and protective levels shoot right up and stay up for an extended period. I think a booster in 12 months is needed.Buck and Ken.
Some of the studies i have seen show a very slight response to the first shot but a huge response once the second shot was given. A good friend, died recently, that was a large animal vet always told me that if the second shot wasn't given when required that the first shot might as well been squirted up in the air.
It might. Too bad we can't use the old "Dr LeGear's" disinfectant we had when I was a kid. The coal tar in it had a smell that stayed with them. And you.I know some that use Blue-Kote after cutting, but my question is, does a pine tar like spray help to reduce flies infecting the area?
I use Pine Tar when I cut bulls in the summer. It burns like hell in a cut and it will make your eyes water if you get to close, but it sure keeps the flies off.It might. Too bad we can't use the old "Dr LeGear's" disinfectant we had when I was a kid. The coal tar in it had a smell that stayed with them. And you.
I like to spray screw worm spray around the area.
A message that bears repeating.Knife castration is not without risk, but in my estimation, is less risky than banding without adequate protection.
I have seen more than one 'trainwreck' with a large group of 5-7cwt bulls banded and a dose of tetanus toxoid administered at the time of banding,
I do not recommend banding without prior vaccination
I always use Covexin-8 or Cavalry-9 on all calves, as several years back, we lost a 4-month old heifer to tetanus...
I picked up some tetanus toxoid at Wilco.The very first case of tetanus in cattle that I ever saw (in my 3rd year in veterinary school at the time) was in one of my very own home-bred steers - which I 'cut', with a Newberry knife, at about 400 lbs. Found him 'sawhorsed' out in the pasture about 2 weeks later. So... knife castration is not without risk, but in my estimation, is less risky than banding without adequate protection.
I have seen more than one 'trainwreck' with a large group of 5-7cwt bulls banded and a dose of tetanus toxoid administered at the time of banding, with fairly high morbidity/mortality rates, as the steers 'lost the race' between mounting an immune response and the production of tetanus toxin by C.tetani bacteria growing in the anaerobic devitalized tissue of scrotum and testicles.
I do not recommend banding without prior vaccination and boosting at time of band application - or administering tetanus antitoxin (TAT) at the time of banding.
I have seen a few cases of tetanus in baby calves banded with the little green Cheerio, but given the millions of those that have been applied over the decades, it's a low incidence.
That said, a dead baby calf has a distressingly low carcass weight , just like a dead 800-pounder... you just don't have as much invested in the neonate.
Tetanus toxoid (TT) as a stand-alone, or a 8- or 9-way Clostridial bacterin-toxoid containing TT... either way works. I always use Covexin-8 or Cavalry-9 on all calves, as several years back, we lost a 4-month old heifer to tetanus... and never knew what her exposure/infection route was - but we'd not been vaccinating against tetanus prior to that one.
For tetanus, but what about the next dose of Covexin 8 for the rest of the diseases? Covexin 8 is a a two dose protocol.I picked up some tetanus toxoid at Wilco.
So I am going to shoot these bulls with the tetanus and then a few weeks later , band them and give them a dose of covexin 8.
Does this sound reasonable as a protocol?
Exactly what we do minus the ear tags.That is what we do. They get covexin 8, virashield 6+vl5, wormer, ear tag, and fly spray at banding. No follow up shot and we avoid working in the mud at all costs.
Exactly correct. Any 2 shot vaccine needs 2 shots to be effective.For tetanus, but what about the next dose of Covexin 8 for the rest of the diseases? Covexin 8 is a a two dose protocol.
Given my history on this thread, I will defer to the Vets. If you are going to have them in the chute anyway why not just go ahead and give the two doses of your 8way? It is cheap insurance.
I did not say I wouldn't give a follow up dose of covexin. I may have misunderstood the previous responses but it sounded like giving straight TT was important. I have it now so I am going to use it.Exactly correct. Any 2 shot vaccine needs 2 shots to be effective.
There is already Tetanus Toxoid in the Covexin. Before you start over-dosing vaccines, I would have a local Vet give you a proper protocol for your herd.I did not say I wouldn't give a follow up dose of covexin. I may have misunderstood the previous responses but it sounded like giving straight TT was important. I have it now so I am going to use it.
Yes, but the school of hard knocks has taught a lot of us that two doses is cheap insurance.The instructions with the original Calicrate bander says to give Tetanus Toxoid at the time of banding. It does not say anything about a followup. It does say specifically TT not tetanus antitoxin.
Plus it is recommended by the mfg for full protection (if it calls for 2 doses spaced apart). As I recall some MLV vaccines only call for one dose, such as Bovi Shield Gold.Yes, but the school of hard knocks has taught a lot of us that two doses is cheap insurance.