Confederate Railroad

[Buck Randall]

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Those very rights are under attack today by the PC crowd.

Is this really true? You still have the right to wave any flag you want, burn any flag you want, and say whatever you want. Other people also have the right to tell you how they really feel about it.

40 years ago, nobody would have thought twice about a confederate flag being waved at a public event, but a rainbow flag would have drawn as much moaning and wailing as the confederate flag does today. Our rights aren't changing, just public opinion. You happen to not like it because your opinion is becoming the minority where it was once the majority.

I'm not sure this is a new development, either. Younger generations have probably been offended by older generations and annoyed them with "PC" culture since the beginning of time.

You really need to go to your local Ace Hardware and purchase a head puller.
Your no TB, better stay in your intellectual lane when it comes to history. The shoulder of the road.
Fifty years ago we weren't trying to erase or rewrite history as the events didn't exist too fit a narrative we liked.
We were actually still being taught history by men that fought the below mentioned socialist.
It's like the irony of one group calling another Nazis and saying they are socialists.
This is the ignorance of not knowing your history Nazis were socialist.

The Nazis were socialists the same way that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic of the people.
Nobody is trying to erase history. If anything, a brighter light is being shone on it. You want the rebel flag to be a symbol of pride, but it's also been used as a symbol of oppression. The two are forever intertwined. When the liberals start trying to remove the flag from history museums, I'll be right next to you to protest. We need to remember it, but we shouldn't have selective memories.

 

[haase]

Dont really think that the word Confederate, offense anyone up north, that's part of history, the only ones it is offensive to is the snowflakes today and the peace and love generations that are still dangling around, they didn't produce anything or will the snowflakes, might as well put down the history of our country.

 

[Hippie Rancher]

I was referring to a demographic group, not a political party.

 

[Little Cow]

I have a funny story about flag burning.

I was in an enlisted to officer program at a Washington DC area university (USN scholarship) and we were required to participate in the hotly contested inauguration of Bush in 2001. Our unit, which was a mix of USN and USMC officer candidates, carried the giant flag down Penn Ave. It was cold, icy, and very windy. We didn't have nearly enough people required to carry it (we had 30 and you're supposed to have 50), so it was trying to act as a sail on us. We exhausted ourselves keeping it off the ground and properly displayed through the entire length of the parade route. Meanwhile, these anarchists idiots kept running up behind the crowd screaming nasty slogans about burning it. Whatever. After all, we promised to support and defend the very Constitution that gave those guys the right to yell whatever they wanted. Then, since they couldn't get a reaction out of us, they started throwing old fruit. On a cold day, it sucks to get a nasty, half frozen orange in the face, let me tell you. We kept our bearing, but we were pi**ed. They would run from alleyway to alleyway and throw over the crowds or squeeze between people on the bleachers set up prior to the parade. I guess by running, they couldn't be apprehended easily. Well, on one of the last alleyways before the grandstand, the bleachers were full of USMC Honor Guards in civvies. When the anarchists did their little fruit bowl prank, those Marines flew off those bleachers and were on those guys like fat rats on a greasy Cheeto. We didn't see those anarchists again. :tiphat:

 

[Little Cow]

That's interesting, CB.

 

[haase]

I wasn't implying anything to a political group either, cant help that you cant figure that out,the Confederate flag is displayed up north too, Yankees don't have a problem with it, it's a part of history, I'm not going to take it away, the best part about it is today, the north and south have more in common than you think, leave the worthless out and it doesn't matter, nothing political.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Is this really true? You still have the right to wave any flag you want, burn any flag you want, and say whatever you want. Other people also have the right to tell you how they really feel about it.

40 years ago, nobody would have thought twice about a confederate flag being waved at a public event, but a rainbow flag would have drawn as much moaning and wailing as the confederate flag does today. Our rights aren't changing, just public opinion. You happen to not like it because your opinion is becoming the minority where it was once the majority.

I'm not sure this is a new development, either. Younger generations have probably been offended by older generations and annoyed them with "PC" culture since the beginning of time.

You really need to go to your local Ace Hardware and purchase a head puller.
Your no TB, better stay in your intellectual lane when it comes to history. The shoulder of the road.
Fifty years ago we weren't trying to erase or rewrite history as the events didn't exist too fit a narrative we liked.
We were actually still being taught history by men that fought the below mentioned socialist.
It's like the irony of one group calling another Nazis and saying they are socialists.
This is the ignorance of not knowing your history Nazis were socialist.

The Nazis were socialists the same way that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic of the people.
Nobody is trying to erase history. If anything, a brighter light is being shone on it. You want the rebel flag to be a symbol of pride, but it's also been used as a symbol of oppression. The two are forever intertwined. When the liberals start trying to remove the flag from history museums, I'll be right next to you to protest. We need to remember it, but we shouldn't have selective memories.

Go back and study your history.

https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

 

[Buck Randall]

https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

I'm all for learning, but do you have a source that isn't an obscure propaganda website?

Try this one.

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

 

[Little Cow]

Hitler seized power from a fledgling political party that was still defining itself. Therein lies the danger of political parties not knowing who there are and identifying themselves by certain basic principals (yes, I do realize that 'principled politician' is an oxymoron).

I always wondered if people had just swooned a little over Hitler's art while he was struggling in Austria, would we have been spared his insanity? If only he fit in with the modern art movements of the time, instead of clinging to his kitsch postcards and paintings, he could have just been that angry little Austrian artist that people tolerated. No power, no stormtroopers, no death camps, no Holocaust.

 

[Bright Raven]

https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

I'm all for learning, but do you have a source that isn't an obscure propaganda website?

Try this one.

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

That, too, is commentary. History is fundamentally someone's commentary on past events. It is interesting to watch as history is often "rewritten" as a new author puts their spin on past events.

If you cannot measure it or weigh it, or otherwise describe its properties - about all you can do is present it as a commentary.

 

[Bright Raven]

Mark Twain. "The very ink with which history is written is merely fluid prejudice."

Napoleon Bonaparte
"What is history but a fable agreed upon?"

Tennessee Tuxedo
"Every generation rewrites history to suit their own pleasures."

 

[Caustic Burno]

Hitler seized power from a fledgling political party that was still defining itself. Therein lies the danger of political parties not knowing who there are and identifying themselves by certain basic principals (yes, I do realize that 'principled politician' is an oxymoron).

I always wondered if people had just swooned a little over Hitler's art while he was struggling in Austria, would we have been spared his insanity? If only he fit in with the modern art movements of the time, instead of clinging to his kitsch postcards and paintings, he could have just been that angry little Austrian artist that people tolerated. No power, no stormtroopers, no death camps, no Holocaust.

Go read Mein Kamf it's scary close to today's rhetoric. Hitler just told the rats what they wanted to hear, and they followed.

 

[Buck Randall]

https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

I'm all for learning, but do you have a source that isn't an obscure propaganda website?

Try this one.

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

That, too, is commentary. History is fundamentally someone's commentary on past events. It is interesting to watch as history is often "rewritten" as a new author puts their spin on past events.

If you cannot measure it or weigh it, or otherwise describe its properties - about all you can do is present it as a commentary.

I think we can agree that all history is commentary filtered through the lens of the historian. The Mises Institute is a think tank founded to promote an ideology, which puts it in the category of propaganda, rather than opinion.