fenceman
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Considering adding crimson clover to some of my winter grazing. Some of my ground has been sprayed with grazonp+d. Some has been sprayed with tordon22. Any thoughts on if I should avoid these areas with the clover
Recommendations for Illinois (IL), Iowa (IA), Minnesota (MN), Nebraska (NE), and Wisconsin (WI).
• Grazon® P+D or GraznNext® HL up to 2 pints per acre:
» When applied in the spring or early summer (before July 15), forage legumes should not be planted the year of herbicide
application but should be planted the following spring.
» When the applications are made in the fall, forage legume planting should be delayed until the following fall or the spring after
that (12 to 18 months after application
Recommendations for North Carolina (NC), Tennessee (TN), Pennsylvania (PA), Kentucky (KY), West Virginia
(WV), and Virginia (VA).
• Grazon® P+D or GrazonNext® HL up to 2 pints per acre:
» Forage legumes can be drill-planted in the fall or spring four months or more following application.
» Fall treatments should be made no later than September 15th before a spring planting.
greybeard":13s2ndpb said:Research wasn't done in Texas but this should give you an idea of how long to wait before planting clover:
http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLite ... 8895ff.pdf
Recommendations for Illinois (IL), Iowa (IA), Minnesota (MN), Nebraska (NE), and Wisconsin (WI).
• Grazon® P+D or GraznNext® HL up to 2 pints per acre:
» When applied in the spring or early summer (before July 15), forage legumes should not be planted the year of herbicide
application but should be planted the following spring.
» When the applications are made in the fall, forage legume planting should be delayed until the following fall or the spring after
that (12 to 18 months after application
Recommendations for North Carolina (NC), Tennessee (TN), Pennsylvania (PA), Kentucky (KY), West Virginia
(WV), and Virginia (VA).
• Grazon® P+D or GrazonNext® HL up to 2 pints per acre:
» Forage legumes can be drill-planted in the fall or spring four months or more following application.
» Fall treatments should be made no later than September 15th before a spring planting.
Good to know, thanks.JWBrahman":13s2ndpb said:Just wanna add some personal experience: you will need to use a fertilizer with added zinc in the spots you sprayed. Every feed store in your area will have it to fertilize pecan trees. Grazon creates a zinc deficiency in the soil. Even the weeds get rosettes in the fields where you use Grazon two years in a row.
fenceman":3o5g2fm8 said:Considering adding crimson clover to some of my winter grazing. Some of my ground has been sprayed with grazonp+d. Some has been sprayed with tordon22. Any thoughts on if I should avoid these areas with the clover
fenceman":3cuhj9wu said:Ryegras affected???
fenceman":3bagf14e said:I'm not trying to dispute anyone. I appreciate everyone's help on this. I spent a bit of time researching this yesterday and thought I would share what I was told.
I talked with tamu agrilife, my local certified crop advisor, and Mr Dalrymple of Estelle farms. The crabgrass people.
On cereal grains 60 days to plant. Cca says it's done regularly inside 30 days with no problem.
Never could get a hard answer on clover but general consensus was 60days.
Mr Dalrymple said No effect on crabgrass. I asked him twice to be sure. He confidently claims the picloram won't effect the crabgrass seed.
It seems like the residual effect decreases in hotter drier climates.
I have received a lot of conflicting information on this and I appreciate everyone's help. We'll see.
Bigfoot":2rcxxg92 said:fenceman":2rcxxg92 said:I'm not trying to dispute anyone. I appreciate everyone's help on this. I spent a bit of time researching this yesterday and thought I would share what I was told.
I talked with tamu agrilife, my local certified crop advisor, and Mr Dalrymple of Estelle farms. The crabgrass people.
On cereal grains 60 days to plant. Cca says it's done regularly inside 30 days with no problem.
Never could get a hard answer on clover but general consensus was 60days.
Mr Dalrymple said No effect on crabgrass. I asked him twice to be sure. He confidently claims the picloram won't effect the crabgrass seed.
It seems like the residual effect decreases in hotter drier climates.
I have received a lot of conflicting information on this and I appreciate everyone's help. We'll see.
That's good to know. I would trust Estil,over me any day. I wonder if "volunteer" crabgrass is as tolerant of grazon as the "improved" varieties. BTW, i think the improved varieties are just hand picked from native.