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CHAROLAIS RULE WHO AGREES W/ ME ?????
Almost worthless my opinion get docked to hard at the sale barn in my area, they don't want smokey or white calves.Anonymous":3dwt3447 said:CHAROLAIS RULE WHO AGREES W/ ME ?????
Agree 1/2 the way I have Charolais and use them in my white comercial herd but prefer Limousin as terminal breed, less calving problems and of course calves are REDAnonymous":167d3fh3 said:CHAROLAIS RULE WHO AGREES W/ ME ?????
Cattle Rack Rancher":8kewm09n said:Campground
If you get docked in the sale ring for white calves, how come you have british whites or are you able to hide that white color in them by crossbreeding?
Anonymous":flecw1vc said:Just like with Herefords, eared cattle, etc.--- at some markets you take a more severe hit than at others, so you really need to raise what your market most readily pays for, within the constraints of your environment, management style, etc. Obviously one real basic item to remember about the Charolais cross terminal calves, or any calves for that matter, is that you can't just look at the price per pound that you get or the discount per pound you get hit with. Consider total pounds sold times price per pound! It's only a thought, but I'd almost bet that on any given forage base the heaviest calves would probably be Charolais sired terminal crosses (or possibly something by a Fleck or Gelbvieh). Being an absentee owner I've never had quite enough "courage" to use a Charolais bull. But I've been real tempted a few times when I found some that had the kind of front shoulders that made me feel a little more comfortable than with most of the breed. Arnold Ziffle
Another thought --- recently I was sniffing around on the website for one of the Canadian semen outfits while looking at Fleckvieh Simmentals and just happened to review some of their Charolais offerings. One thing that I sure DON'T need is anything like those 3,300+ pounders up in Canada. Do you folks way up north ever use that size of a bull in a commercial herd and can they (and correspondingly large cows) really work acceptably for you? Sure need to lay in a good supply for monsters like that don't you?
Anonymous":3e9aee3f said:Just like with Herefords, eared cattle, etc.--- at some markets you take a more severe hit than at others, so you really need to raise what your market most readily pays for, within the constraints of your environment, management style, etc. Obviously one real basic item to remember about the Charolais cross terminal calves, or any calves for that matter, is that you can't just look at the price per pound that you get or the discount per pound you get hit with. Consider total pounds sold times price per pound! It's only a thought, but I'd almost bet that on any given forage base the heaviest calves would probably be Charolais sired terminal crosses (or possibly something by a Fleck or Gelbvieh). Being an absentee owner I've never had quite enough "courage" to use a Charolais bull. But I've been real tempted a few times when I found some that had the kind of front shoulders that made me feel a little more comfortable than with most of the breed. Arnold Ziffle
Another thought --- recently I was sniffing around on the website for one of the Canadian semen outfits while looking at Fleckvieh Simmentals and just happened to review some of their Charolais offerings. One thing that I sure DON'T need is anything like those 3,300+ pounders up in Canada. Do you folks way up north ever use that size of a bull in a commercial herd and can they (and correspondingly large cows) really work acceptably for you? Sure need to lay in a good supply for monsters like that don't you?
Anonymous said:CHAROLAIS SUCK!
Cattle Rack Rancher":qsn43wnd said:Those big cows and bulls and cows are quite common up here. Simmental x Charolais is very common. There is always a big argument though. I would rather raise smaller cows and have more calves per acre. Also, if I lose a calf, it is less of a hit on a percentage basis. I produce more calves per acre and what I feel is better beef. But there is no denying that those big 2000+ lb cows produce huge calves. Weaning near 800 lbs. I buy my hay and i know I wouldn't want to feed them but there are lots of guys up here that do.