Stocker Steve
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Till-Hill said:Only reason we do is to shy away from Legacy/Shear Force. quote]
Why do you avoid Shear Force lines?
Till-Hill said:Only reason we do is to shy away from Legacy/Shear Force. quote]
Why do you avoid Shear Force lines?
Already have enough. And still have shear force semen on shear force and last 2/3 bulls have been from hooks with at least a shot or two of legacyStocker Steve":3kyr0hf8 said:Till-Hill":3kyr0hf8 said:Only reason we do is to shy away from Legacy/Shear Force. quote]
Why do you avoid Shear Force lines?
I think so as simmental is 3-4 lbs more than angus putting it at nearly 30 on angus scale, angus breed ave. 24Cada22":24oin9ox said:I am strongly considering Broadway for my Angus/Holstein cross heifers after they calve in the Fall.
Is the 26 milk epd too high here though?
Son of Butch":18owp8wi said:I think so as simmental is 3-4 lbs more than angus putting it at nearly 30 on angus scale, angus breed ave. 24Cada22":18owp8wi said:I am strongly considering Broadway for my Angus/Holstein cross heifers after they calve in the Fall.
Is the 26 milk epd too high here though?
so if you want to use simmental on cow with1/2 holstein blood I'd suggest staying well under 21 on simmental scale.
Thank you very much for the info
To knock milk down the go to breeds are:
1. Hereford
2. Limo
3. Maine-Anjou
I have a lot of experience doing what you are doing. Adding flesh to them Holstein cross cows is a lot more important than taking away some of the milk in my trials with it. We got 50-60 of them running around here, Spring and Fall calving.Cada22":cm8ipkq9 said:Are there any low milk SIMM bulls that fit this scenario?
FlyingLSimmentals":3oohuqfh said:Might look at HTP SVF In Dew Time. Milk an 8.2
Till-Hill":3u6yaijj said:FlyingLSimmentals":3u6yaijj said:Might look at HTP SVF In Dew Time. Milk an 8.2
Terrible udder shape on the 15 or 20 we have had here. Culled a 3 year old cow few years ago with tits size of a 2 liter bottle.
Till-Hill":r68m14hc said:I have a lot of experience doing what you are doing. Adding flesh to them Holstein cross cows is a lot more important than taking away some of the milk in my trials with it. We got 50-60 of them running around here, Spring and Fall calving.Cada22":r68m14hc said:Are there any low milk SIMM bulls that fit this scenario?
Simmental bull I have the best luck with is: http://www.universalsemensales.com/bree ... start-r238
Cheap semen, use him on heifers and cows and he makes awfully good steers and some great momma cows on that cross.
Spring cows are treated same as regular stock cows, grass in summer and hay in winter. Falls get a 94% Roughage TMR in winter, very little or no corn/corn silage. They hang right in there. Key is to get weight back on them after you wean calves.Cada22":qaqh52tp said:Till-Hill":qaqh52tp said:I have a lot of experience doing what you are doing. Adding flesh to them Holstein cross cows is a lot more important than taking away some of the milk in my trials with it. We got 50-60 of them running around here, Spring and Fall calving.Cada22":qaqh52tp said:Are there any low milk SIMM bulls that fit this scenario?
Simmental bull I have the best luck with is: http://www.universalsemensales.com/bree ... start-r238
Cheap semen, use him on heifers and cows and he makes awfully good steers and some great momma cows on that cross.
Good looking bull that I will check more into. What kind of supplemental feeding do you have to do to get cows of this cross to breed back quickly?
Till-Hill":29xaxcdw said:Spring cows are treated same as regular stock cows, grass in summer and hay in winter. Falls get a 94% Roughage TMR in winter, very little or no corn/corn silage. They hang right in there. Key is to get weight back on them after you wean calves.Cada22":29xaxcdw said:Till-Hill":29xaxcdw said:I have a lot of experience doing what you are doing. Adding flesh to them Holstein cross cows is a lot more important than taking away some of the milk in my trials with it. We got 50-60 of them running around here, Spring and Fall calving.
Simmental bull I have the best luck with is: http://www.universalsemensales.com/bree ... start-r238
Cheap semen, use him on heifers and cows and he makes awfully good steers and some great momma cows on that cross.
Good looking bull that I will check more into. What kind of supplemental feeding do you have to do to get cows of this cross to breed back quickly?
Lucky_P":2h1t71t5 said:PRS Blazin' Hot W192: https://www.cattlevisions.com/detail.php?BullId=3306
We've used him quite a bit, and have several really nice daughters coming on... I'd not really noticed his low milk epd (4.5) until just recently... as we were more concerned with other traits. First daughters will calve out next year... we'll see if they have 'enough' milk... their dams sure do.
I'm not sure how a 4.5 Simmental milk epd stacks up against an Angus milk epd... but he's in the bottom 1% of the breed. Might be a good choice to 'dry up' some HO-X cows... and still get nice growthy, docile steers/heifers out of the deal.