talldog
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Just what tractors are made in the USA !!!!! :help:
talldog":1dnrz503 said:Just what tractors are made in the USA !!!!! :help:
Brute 23":1k5sg4is said:The old NH place told me that John Deere was in talks to buy out NH and Massy Ferg.
DiamondSCattleCo":9w1duvj0 said:Brute 23":9w1duvj0 said:The old NH place told me that John Deere was in talks to buy out NH and Massy Ferg.
<chuckle> I don't think so. AgCo is the world's largest farm equipment manufacturer/distributor, and Massey is its flagship line. Case/NH is the world's second largest equipment manufacturer. If anyone was buying anyone, it would be AgCo or Case/NH buying JD.
JD might be big news in North America (somewhere around 50% market share), but worldwide, they're pretty small potatoes. Take Rostelmash, a name virtually unknown in North America, but 1 in every 5 combines worldwide is a Rostelmash and their parent company just bought Versatile "because they needed a tractor in the line-up". They're now selling 375HP Ag tractors for $150,000 Cdn, which is around $50-75,000 less than anything Green, Case Red or NH Blue. With the current development in Mongolia and other overseas areas, I think we'll see a radically different farm machinery landscape in 30 years. Case/NH is now owned by a Dutch company. AgCo and JD are both still US companies, but most of their equipment comes from France, Italy, Germany and India and Agco does most of its business in Brazil, so its only a matter of time until they're sold off.
Rod
DiamondSCattleCo":1irl1kha said:Ken, your numbers are dated or you are using something other than raw sales numbers (perhaps your numbers are gross profit?). Agco is currently the largest and has been for at least two years straight. I could be wrong about JD being behind CNH, but I don't think so. My numbers come from last years farm dealer Expo.
Rod
RodDiamondSCattleCo":2i945jus said:Ken, your numbers are dated or you are using something other than raw sales numbers (perhaps your numbers are gross profit?). Agco is currently the largest and has been for at least two years straight. I could be wrong about JD being behind CNH, but I don't think so. My numbers come from last years farm dealer Expo.
Rod
Angus Cowman":1kda9rvg said:the way it was explained to me is AGCO is the largest when you consider all of their brands combined but JD is the largest single brand
I agree with you RodDiamondSCattleCo":19my1v4t said:Angus Cowman":19my1v4t said:the way it was explained to me is AGCO is the largest when you consider all of their brands combined but JD is the largest single brand
Oh definitely Angus. But the original statement that prompted my response was that JD was going to buy Massey, and quite frankly, JD just doesn't have the resources to even remotely think about it as the Massey name is AgCo's biggest seller, as such, JD would in effect be buying AgCo.
Edit: Or at least buying most of AgCo's brand recognition. They'd be nuts to sell.
Rod