WalnutCrest
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About 1/3 ...of the national Aubrac herd in France is bred to double muscled Charolais bulls ... and ... they still lead all French breeds in calving ease. FWIW.
WalnutCrest":20py4hu0 said:WalnutCrest":20py4hu0 said:Just to continue a thread that hasn't seen any action in a while ...
The more distantly relayed the three breeds, the more significant the heterosis. For example:
(Continental x Sanga) x Indicus
(British x Indicus) x Sanga
(Sanga x Indicus) x either British or Continental
...provide far more heterosis than (British x British) x Continental.
Following upon this after returning from my trip to France ... if I wanted to get a super three way rotation working, I'd start by contracting with the best Brahman females to AI them to either Aubrac or Murray Grey where you're buying all the heifers at a pre-agreed to formula ... then ... using either Aubrac or MG on them ... then Brahman on top of those.
At any time you wanted, you could throw a homozygous black bull in there to get black calves if you thought you needed some.
Good grief, those would be some great mamas.
Throw a terminal Char bull in the pasture for some real scale mashers...
Nesikep":2g8ldd9e said:WalnutCrest":2g8ldd9e said:WalnutCrest":2g8ldd9e said:Just to continue a thread that hasn't seen any action in a while ...
The more distantly relayed the three breeds, the more significant the heterosis. For example:
(Continental x Sanga) x Indicus
(British x Indicus) x Sanga
(Sanga x Indicus) x either British or Continental
...provide far more heterosis than (British x British) x Continental.
Following upon this after returning from my trip to France ... if I wanted to get a super three way rotation working, I'd start by contracting with the best Brahman females to AI them to either Aubrac or Murray Grey where you're buying all the heifers at a pre-agreed to formula ... then ... using either Aubrac or MG on them ... then Brahman on top of those.
At any time you wanted, you could throw a homozygous black bull in there to get black calves if you thought you needed some.
Good grief, those would be some great mamas.
Throw a terminal Char bull in the pasture for some real scale mashers...
Murray Gray have the color diluter gene don't they? Would make reliably getting black calves impossible if that's the case..
Other than Herf and Angus, What other british beef breeds are there?
True Grit Farms":2jquxqji said:This isn't France, it seems like most folks in Europe babysit their cows, and with that kind of management you better.
Gators Rule":2jquxqji said:Agreed. It seems a lot of Europeans have no qualms pulling calves so not hard to believe they could be average or better. Personally I would run from the French double muscled breeds.
WalnutCrest":3w21vuo8 said:True Grit Farms":3w21vuo8 said:This isn't France, it seems like most folks in Europe babysit their cows, and with that kind of management you better.
Gators Rule":3w21vuo8 said:Agreed. It seems a lot of Europeans have no qualms pulling calves so not hard to believe they could be average or better. Personally I would run from the French double muscled breeds.
You both did a nice job of painting with a broad brush.
If you've been over there and have first-hand knowledge of breed-specific practices, they feel free to provide an informed opinion.
French Aubrac breeders have a different mindset than the European breeders of other types of cattle.
One of the things I've found with dealing with the French, re: all their breeds is they're not afraid of the things that make the breed they raise different than the breeds raised by others, and take great pride in promoting pure strains. North Americans are the ones busy w/ the crosses and mutts --- heterosis is free, afterall (assuming the bulls being used are not actually mongrels with papers).
Gators Rule":1kmx0qbj said:WC, you apparently feel the need to insult others if they happen to post something contrary in the slightest way to your line of thinking... Regardless of how low you think of my intellect level, that is a character flaw.
I bet that's a long list! :hide: :lol:WalnutCrest":3bpc1tei said:As to character flaws, I have many. If you'd like me to give you a list, I'm happy to oblige.