HerefordSire
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What is your average running frame size Aaron?
CPL":xxspqnwy said:Aaron- you actually have a BW avg of over 100 in your heard? I would think you'd want calf vigor not extra weight.
The range would be 4 to 6.5, with the majority being in the 5 to 5.5 frame. :cowboy:HerefordSire":xxspqnwy said:What is your average running frame size Aaron?
Herefords.US":2h4707b2 said:I agree with most of what you say, red.
KNERSIE":2a5be8d3 said:What's your typical 205 day weights out of the heavy BW calves? And out of the light BW calves?
Aaron":1095w06k said:Again, looking at some weights, the range on a few culls that we have sold.
BW 84-92 lbs
Mature weight 1030 to 1250 lbs.
Looking further back, had a heifer that weighed 106 BW and was sold at 1320 lbs (5 years old). Now, she is an outlier because she got another kick at the can, but ended up losing her calf...so she weighed a good 100 lbs more than she should have. Soggy cow. Good cow too.
Another cow, 90 lbs BW..sold as 7 year old...1083 lbs. Carrying good flesh.
I am getting the idea that you guys are hiding some monster cows out there? All I can say is, practicality. Give me big calves in the spring, give me big calves in the fall and don't get too big while doing it year after year...oh..and I don't want to have to mess around with you, ever. Do all this and you will be loved and taken care of. :cowboy:
greenwillowhereford II":3hb95tup said:Yankee is no 10 BW. He is more like around 1.5-2, and is considered a calving ease bull. I presume you were talking about Churchill Yankee.
Everyone's environment is different. RDSam, you may have better forage than Aaron. Do you creep? Or maybe you just have higher growth genetics. What is the mature cow size of your herd? We know for certain that northern BW is higher. It has to do with increased blood (nutrient)flow to the vitals as the animal is surviving harsh weather.
RD-Sam":1i5bf6qz said:I was just looking at the cows I have purchased and the offspring they had prior to me having them. I am new at this, and will be turning in all the data on everything from here on out. Don't have any mature heights on anything yet. One cow had a bull that was 1165 YW if I remember correctly. I do however think it has to do with the higher growth genetics. One cow has been producing curve benders, low BW and high YW. Some were on creep, some were not.
Aaron":29jgdhat said:No greenwillow...you weren't reading close enough....talking about cow killers...this bull: BAR B 15S YANKEE :cowboy:
http://www.reedent.com/reedent/cattle/b ... ankee.html
Northern Rancher":w8cd53y2 said:Nothing warms a ranchers heart more than reading about 120 pound Hereford calves-especially if he has a pen of Angus bulls needs selling. I ranch in the heaviest concentration of cattle in Saskatchewan-if you draw a 75 mile circle around our place there are probably 100,000 mother cows. Twenty five or thirty years ago Herefords and especially Polled Herefords probably bred over half those cows-I bet they'd be lucky to breed 5 percent now. Most guys up here if they wanted a Hereford cow to have a big calf with explosive growth used a Charolais or Fleckvieh Simmental bull on her. Trying to turn Herefords into Simmentals has almost caused their complete demise in ranch country-I don't know of any big outfit in my area running polled herefords a few still run Horned. We calve out on grass-cows that can't calve end up sliding out the north end of a south bound coyote-I don't know much but I bet the rate of gain and profit potential on a 80lb live calf is better than a 125 lber that we dragged to the s...pile because his momma couldn't have him. We have some cows that have big calves but I sure don't look for it and those heifers get fed out. Herefords strength in their glory days was efficient cows that could take care of themselves and raise a profitable calf-there's some still out there but you have to look hard to find them. Our cows have enough challenges taking care of business on forage alone-breeding them to some overpromoted behemouth shouldn't be one of them. I do alot of custom heifer A'I' nothing chills my blood more than a customer with a bunch of big BW heifers to breed-picking a bull that will calve on them is a crapshoot at best.