Trying harder....

[inyati13]

Grit, I agree. Look at Edgar Alan Poe.

 

[inyati13]

bball, I agree to a large extent. Reaching the apex of the hierarchy involves relationships for most people. However, it is noteworthy that some individuals function well without an abundance of relationships. In fact, there are examples of inventors, philosophers, writers , artist, etc. who performed great works in relative isolation. Of course, that does not mean they were fulfilled.

You made a point that is true of a lot of people, relationships take an enormous amount of time, effort and commitment. Sometimes we take the path of least resistance and simply avoid them.

Last thought, I think TV, social media like Internet etc. has replaced relationships. Witness the users of CT. A forum can provide mental exercise and engagement but it is not a rewarding personal relationship. I consider it a mental engagement that exercises the mind but provides none of the other qualities to achieve self actualization.

PS: fulfillment is a state of mind. I think most people who reach it have learned to discipline their mind.

Most were weirdos and queer, you can add classical musicians to the list also. Isolation is not a normal behavior for humans. Being a good friend and partner takes a lot of work.

Grit beat me to it, but I wanted to add that often times, those of humanity who have created the most beautiful things (be it music, literature, art, philosophy, science, poetry,etc) are so many times, the most tormented. I have often wondered dI'd they seek isolation because their minds worked in such a way as that there were so few as any to truly understand them and share human connectivity?

Brad, I know what this sounds like but I will say it anyway. I avoid people who I think hold me back. If that is arrogant, then I am guilty but I ain't gonna change at this point.

I was an avid hunter when I lived out west. I would not last one Hunt with a partner because I believed I could Hunt more effectively alone. I took a lot of risks. I fell about 30 feet over a cliff. My sling caught on a rock and probably saved my life.

I know this will not sound good, but I have a hard time with ignorance. I don't mean ignorance of algebra or organic chemistry. I mean people who wallow in ignorance as if it is a virtue.

 

[True Grit Farms]

Inyati13, don't take this personal. But it seems like once a person gets to smart they get weird. But I'm sure glad we have - had some really smart folks in this world. I can't imagine living in a cave.
Some of the things I see and hear makes me wonder how people can come up with such weird stuff.

 

[inyati13]

Inyati13, don't take this personal. But it seems like once a person gets to smart they get weird. But I'm sure glad we have - had some really smart folks in this world. I can't imagine living in a cave.
Some of the things I see and hear makes me wonder how people can come up with such weird stuff.

I don't

 

[bball]

Brad, I know what this sounds like but I will say it anyway. I avoid people who I think hold me back. If that is arrogant, then I am guilty but I ain't gonna change at this point.

I was an avid hunter when I lived out west. I would not last one Hunt with a partner because I believed I could Hunt more effectively alone. I took a lot of risks. I fell about 30 feet over a cliff. My sling caught on a rock and probably saved my life.

I know this will not sound good, but I have a hard time with ignorance. I don't mean ignorance of algebra or organic chemistry. I mean people who wallow in ignorance as if it is a virtue.

I don't consider this arrogant. I consider it prudent. I have known many people in different walks of life, very decent people, who are stressed and unhappy because they have people in their lives that make them miserable. Instead of symbiotic relationships they're in parasitic ones; whether they're being emotionally, financially, physically or by any other means, used as a host. Every healthy relationship demands give and take from those involved. It is necessary and prudent to evaluate each relationship to ensure it is balanced and healthy- that you are giving and taking in a balanced way; not being used, held back or drained. Also requires discernment to ensure you're not being a parasite as well. It's a two way street. With practice, the quality, healthy relationships become quite evident and makes it simple to disengage (or not engage at all) from those that would hold one back. Sounds like you understand this clearly (probably better than I do). What used to frustrate me a few years ago, was when I would attempt to assist someone who was having difficulty with relationships(being used or abused etc) and they would understand the info but not act. Now, I don't invest on that level. It's very difficult for some folks to disengage, even from negative people or circumstances. Took me some time to figure that out, seemed so simple in my mind. One day it clicked (I say one day, but after many conversations with many different unhappy people) the answer usually boiled down to: a fear of the unknown. It's why the abused stay with the abuser. They know it's coming, they know it hurts, but atleast they KNOW. Leaving and starting over is a very scary proposition- they don't know what's going to happen. Uncertainty is frightening to most. Being alone is frightening to most.
Sorry got long-winded...

 

[NECowboy]

While I love my main job, people not always happy to come see me and stressed and my job involves helping people, by end of week and sometimes even during it I feel drained and love to spend it with nothing but the rolling hills, blue sky, birds, prairie grass, and my cattle. Ranching is not always easy but in facing problems head on it's where we find our true character, both in that and our main jobs I suppose, just none of the people drama to deal with at the ranch. Ranch gives me perspective that helps me deal with the people giving me guff and me having to set them straight! :cowboy:

 

[inyati13]

While I love my main job, people not always happy to come see me and stressed and my job involves helping people, by end of week and sometimes even during it I feel drained and love to spend it with nothing but the rolling hills, blue sky, birds, prairie grass, and my cattle. Ranching is not always easy but in facing problems head on it's where we find our true character, both in that and our main jobs I suppose, just none of the people drama to deal with at the ranch. Ranch gives me perspective that helps me deal with the people giving me guff and me having to set them straight! :cowboy:

I love what you said!!!

 

[NECowboy]

While I love my main job, people not always happy to come see me and stressed and my job involves helping people, by end of week and sometimes even during it I feel drained and love to spend it with nothing but the rolling hills, blue sky, birds, prairie grass, and my cattle. Ranching is not always easy but in facing problems head on it's where we find our true character, both in that and our main jobs I suppose, just none of the people drama to deal with at the ranch. Ranch gives me perspective that helps me deal with the people giving me guff and me having to set them straight! :cowboy:

I love what you said!!!

Thanks I love the a mans farm is his kingdom on your tag! I don't know that my wife loves it as much as I do, I mean she really likes it but is not as crazy about the land as I am!