tcolvin
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Is tetanus toxiod the same tetanus used for casteration on calves. I think it is but just want to be sure.
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Named'em Tamed'em
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I think it's tetanus antitoxin for an injury or banding at the time.
farmerjan
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We use the tetanus toxoid at banding with the callicrate bander.
kenny thomas
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Tetnus toxiod is whats needed but should be given 2 week prior and then a booster at banding. It will last for probably a year.
Tetnus Antitoxin is a 1 shot and is given the day of banding but only lasts 14 days. If only going to give 1 shot i feel its best to use the Antitoxin
Tetnus Antitoxin is a 1 shot and is given the day of banding but only lasts 14 days. If only going to give 1 shot i feel its best to use the Antitoxin
wbvs58
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Tetanus Toxoid is fine at banding but only if one has been given at least 4-6 weeks prior to castration. If that has not been the case then a Tetanus Antitoxin should be given as well. Both can be given at the same time however another Toxoid should be given in 4-6 wks if you want longer lasting immunity.
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Lucky_P
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Let's have a short immunology lesson:
Tetanus toxoid is a preparation of the toxin produced by Clostridium tetani which has been denatured so that it can no longer exert its effect - but will still stimulate the animal's immune system to mount an immune response (antibodies and immune cell populations directed against the tetanus toxin) so that they are protected against subsequent exposures.
Tetanus antitoxin is a preparation of anti-tetanus toxin antibodies, derived from the serum of horses that have been hyper-immunized with tetanus toxoid, such that they have very high levels of anti-tetanus toxin antibodies in their blood serum.
So... tetanus antitoxin provides 'immediate' - but temporary - protection against a 'known' potential exposure.
Tetanus toxoid, like any other vaccine/bacterin/toxoid, requires a period of time - and a booster, 2-4 weeks after the initial dose - in order for the animal's immune system to respond to provide optimal protection against the tetanus toxin.
Tetanus antitoxin and tetanus toxoid can be administered at the same time... the antitoxin will not prevent the animal's immune system from responding to the denatured toxin(toxoid) - but to get optimal (and essentially, permanent) protection, a toxoid booster is still needed.
I've seen some real trainwrecks in groups of bulls banded and given a dose of tetanus toxoid at that time... the cattle 'lost the race'... being unable to mount an effective immune response before the C.tetani organisms begin producing tetanus toxin.
Tetanus toxoid is a preparation of the toxin produced by Clostridium tetani which has been denatured so that it can no longer exert its effect - but will still stimulate the animal's immune system to mount an immune response (antibodies and immune cell populations directed against the tetanus toxin) so that they are protected against subsequent exposures.
Tetanus antitoxin is a preparation of anti-tetanus toxin antibodies, derived from the serum of horses that have been hyper-immunized with tetanus toxoid, such that they have very high levels of anti-tetanus toxin antibodies in their blood serum.
So... tetanus antitoxin provides 'immediate' - but temporary - protection against a 'known' potential exposure.
Tetanus toxoid, like any other vaccine/bacterin/toxoid, requires a period of time - and a booster, 2-4 weeks after the initial dose - in order for the animal's immune system to respond to provide optimal protection against the tetanus toxin.
Tetanus antitoxin and tetanus toxoid can be administered at the same time... the antitoxin will not prevent the animal's immune system from responding to the denatured toxin(toxoid) - but to get optimal (and essentially, permanent) protection, a toxoid booster is still needed.
I've seen some real trainwrecks in groups of bulls banded and given a dose of tetanus toxoid at that time... the cattle 'lost the race'... being unable to mount an effective immune response before the C.tetani organisms begin producing tetanus toxin.
Lucky_P,
What protocol would you recommend for someone banding newborns? Or, would you recommend waiting until the two doses of toxoid can be administered? I don't have a horse or a rope or a helper, so doing it while the calf is small would be most convenient. I'd prefer to cut them around 250#, but it's been a while since I did that as a youngster and always had an experienced someone looking over my shoulder. Where I'm at now, the folks all just band at birth...maybe. I'm still looking for a mentor.
What protocol would you recommend for someone banding newborns? Or, would you recommend waiting until the two doses of toxoid can be administered? I don't have a horse or a rope or a helper, so doing it while the calf is small would be most convenient. I'd prefer to cut them around 250#, but it's been a while since I did that as a youngster and always had an experienced someone looking over my shoulder. Where I'm at now, the folks all just band at birth...maybe. I'm still looking for a mentor.
Travlr
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farmerjan
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We do not give any shots at banding of newborns either... band and ear tag if caught as newborn. The cow should be passing any antibodies to the calf in the colostrum and milk that early.
Animal Track Farm
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I band and tag as a newborn and have not had any problems either.
Yeah, not a word I use often, I took the opportunity! It's what the AI folks say. We always had feeder calves at home, but we did end up helping a neighbor with cows/calves. I remember them putting one down with lock jaw that we would have banded young. Maybe that was a fluke thing? That was 30 years ago now and I'm a little fuzzy on the details. I'm paying the bills now though so I'd rather sell a bull calf as bury a steer.
It is good to hear the results you and the others describe.
Ditto with banding & no adverse effects. Knock wood!!!! Used to band at birth but now it's just me working newborns and while I'm pretty scrappy, I recognize my limitations. I'll tag, administer First Defense and Inforce 3, but banding as well would be hit 'n miss/maybe, maybe not. So changed my protocol (
) and now the bull calves are banded at appx 3 months when I have a crew to work the entire herd. In a perfect world, they would get Cavalry 9 two weeks prior and again when we work/band them. But logistically, it just doesn't work out. Plus, I pay my crew, so that would be an additional expense.
) and now the bull calves are banded at appx 3 months when I have a crew to work the entire herd. In a perfect world, they would get Cavalry 9 two weeks prior and again when we work/band them. But logistically, it just doesn't work out. Plus, I pay my crew, so that would be an additional expense.On large cutter bulls we give both toxin and toxoid shots. On smaller bulls we just give the 8 way with tetanus. One of my vets say as long as you don't slit the bag there is no need for a toxin shot. He bands a large number every year. We may of been lucky for 8 years.
Exactly what the vet said at the BQA certification class.
Jeanne - Simme Valley
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I band at birth with no Tetanus vaccine.
ksmit454
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I also have been banding at birth, usually within 3-4 days and never given tetanus.
Lucky_P
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I've seen a handful of tetanus cases in neonatal calves banded at birth, but very low numbers considering the millions that have received a green Cheerio on Day One. I suppose giving tetanus antitoxin would reduce risk, but in the long run, I'm not certain that it's economically warranted.
What I'd advocate is making sure your cowherd is vaccinated & boosted with a Clostridial bacteria/ toxoid containing tetanus toxoid, and booster them every 2-3 years. That should result in the calf receiving anti-tetanus toxin antibodies in colostrum.
I have seen enough cases of fatal blackleg in adult cows with history of calfhood vaccination, that I no longer believe that calfhood vaccination is protective for life. As an aside, most of the adult blackleg cases I've seen have been in cows in an estrus-synchronization protocol.
What I'd advocate is making sure your cowherd is vaccinated & boosted with a Clostridial bacteria/ toxoid containing tetanus toxoid, and booster them every 2-3 years. That should result in the calf receiving anti-tetanus toxin antibodies in colostrum.
I have seen enough cases of fatal blackleg in adult cows with history of calfhood vaccination, that I no longer believe that calfhood vaccination is protective for life. As an aside, most of the adult blackleg cases I've seen have been in cows in an estrus-synchronization protocol.
