Terri Schindler-Schiavo

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This is a very emotional situation for the people involved and it has to be diffictult to remain objective when in the midst of emotions. It is too bad this woman had not made her wishes known in writing. Once a feeding tube is authorized it is very diffictult to get it removed. I don't know how this will end up but I do know that there is a lesson to be learned. Everyone needs to draft a living will so that their loved ones will not be the ones to make these decisions. Make the decision for yourself. I have drafted one and it is on file at my physcians office, as well as informing my family of its existance.
Do your families a favor and put your wishes in writing.
 
la4angus":3umri1yq said:
dun":3umri1yq said:
If she's meant to not die, she'll recover. Pretty simple arithmetic to me.

dun

Pretty hard to recover with no food or water, I would expect.
Better check your arithmetic again Dun.

My point was that she's had medical meddling for years, maybe it's time for divine intervention if she supposed to live rather then exist as only a body.

dun
 
This is a tough one. I am in favor or "pulling the plug" if someone is on life support or a ventalator, but....I don't think that the case here. It is my understanding that all she needs is a feeding tube and basically by removing it then they are starving her to death. IMO that is inhumaine. If someone were to not feed a baby that would be called MURDER!! Isn't that what they are doing to her? Aren't they denying her the basic right to food and water? Hell we even give people on death row food and water. This is a horrible thing they are allowing to happen. If the husband feels that strongly about it why dosen't her just divorce her and go on with his life and let her parents care for her, then everyone will be happy.
 
dun":2ic482y1 said:
Concerning "giveth and taken away". The doctors have been doing the giveth, if they remove the tube they're turning the taketh away to other hands.

I was part of the decision, I had voted for removal. My mother was the only one that voted to keep it in. I lay that to selfishness on her part and not thnking of the positive side. The woman is no more then a body anymore being kept alive(?) by artificial means. If she's meant to not die, she'll recover. Pretty simple arithmetic to me.

dun

Can't argue with that logic very much. I'm afraid I might have to sway from my usual Christian-Conservative thinking on this and side with you Dun. As I mentioned earlier, I'd rather be in the "cow pasture in the sky" instead of incapacitated. Think I better get off my butt and get that will drawn up I've been putting off. Still don't think she should starve or thirst to death.
 
The more I find out about the case the more I side with the parents. She is not on life support she is simply disabled. People use the argument that she is only alive because of the "medical meddling" as Dun put it. But if you use that logic, it blurs the line between what is proper medical intervention and what isn't. Should a person be allowed to have a heart transplant? Just because a person can't verbally communicate or physically take care of themselves, are their lives then less meaningful?

Another thing with this case is they won't even let the family give her ice chips or anything to help her parched throat. The won't let them open the shades on the window to experience the warm sun on her face one last time, they won't let the family take her outside to breath fresh air one more time. What is being done to her is nothing less than cruel.

Didn't Hitler start by killing the disabled? I'm not comparing the husband or anyone to Hitler, but he obviously didn't value life either.

I have never been in a situation like this and pray that I never will be. Also, not one of us knows what it is like to be in what they call a vegatative state as it is called, and we don't know if she wants to die or not. If I'm in her shoes someday, I want the wishes of those that love me to be done like Duns family decided, not someone that wishes I wasn't around anymore (ie. her husband).
 
Think this is a classic case of "in-family" fighting and disagreements which started 15 years ago; and, the parents are big time denial ("She will get better). Also, the naivete of the parents who think "she will improve" and/or get back to normal! Not! On the other hand...

If all she needs is a feeding tube (and not oxygen, etc.) to stay "alive" then her case is no different from the thousands of severely and profoundly mentally retarded people who are in institutions on feeding tubes, etc., not "dead" but no quality of life as non-MR people see life.

Perhaps rather than let her "starve and dehydrate to death" the husband should divorce her (maybe a number of years ago also), and then either the parents accept personal and financial responsibility for her care. Or, no family accepts responsibility and she becomes a ward of the State being supported by Medicaid (for indigent people without any visable means of support). Probably could "support" her on Medicaid for many years for what all of these outrageous legal and court costs will have added up to.

JMO...
 
la4angus":25k4qjcw said:
dun":25k4qjcw said:
If she's meant to not die, she'll recover. Pretty simple arithmetic to me.

dun

Pretty hard to recover with no food or water, I would expect.
Better check your arithmetic again Dun.

You are 100% correct. This is a case of state sponsored homicide. There have even been articles about how her death would be quiet and painless....have you ever seen anyone die of dehydration or starvation. It is anything BUT quiet and easy!!!

The thing about this case is, there is no living will or advance directive saying she would not want "heroic measures" or a feeding tube. In the absence of this they are morrally bound to provide food and water.She is NOT comatose.... She has been examined by a neurologist that has said she was misdiagnosed. The state "expert" that has said she had a flat line eeg and no brain function belongs to the old "hemlock society" for GOD's sake! The attorney for her husband also belongs to a death cult, Even one of the judges in the case(state level) has been involved in her case before and should have recused himself!! Her husband is probably already guilty od attemped murder in her case,would not be surprised if he did not cause the original trauma!! He stands to make more money, as well as the assets of the marriage.

No, there is much, much more to this case than meets the eye!

I would like to see Jeb Bush activate a couple of companies of the Florida National Guard and take custody of her and move her to a hospital for rehydration, and then to a place her parents could care for her. If this is allowed to proceed to its intended conclusion, it will set a very dangerous precedent and there will be thousands of murders of the elderly and infirm all across the country. By the way, this is exactly the path Nazi Germany took in the 1930's......Before you know it,the Govt (judiciary) will be the one to decide who is living a life "worth living", and will step in and kill people at will. :mad: :mad: :mad: :x :x :stop: :stop: :stop:
 
You know on one hand I can see why she should be kelp alive . Is she really as bad as everone thinks. On the other hand I can see where she should have her wish to die, if it was her wish. One hand says let her live the other says let her die in peace. In other words I don't really know enough about her to really have an opinion. I don't see where it is really any of my business. I could argue the facts for both cases. I guess I'll just take my dog back to the porch as I don't really want him in this race.
 
Schiavogate---The Big Cover-up

By June Maxam and Ginger Berlin

© The Empire Journal

"People may die during the course of abuse investigations and the investigation may become moot".

Apparently that's what Florida's Sixth Circuit Court George Greer is hoping. Maybe even the judges in the 2nd District Court of Appeals at Lakeland have the same mindset.

It appears that Greer has a vested interest in the death of Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Her death may make moot the warranted and overdue investigations of Greer's own complicity in the case---alleged violations of guardianship laws and well as the alleged cover-up of criminal wrongdoing in the matter---an obstruction of justice---a prosecutable offense for which culpability will only increase with judicial homicide.

Saying that that death will render the alleged decade-long abuse of Terri Schiavo, aided and abetted by the court as moot, Greer denied the motion of Florida's Department of Children and Families (DCF) to intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo, sentenced to die March 18 by Greer because she requires food and water to live.

The plethora of alleged improprieties in the Schiavo case gives immediate cause for the appointment of a special prosecutor into not only the alleged wrongdoing of Michael Schiavo but of George Greer. The longer that Florida authorities resist in removing Greer from the case and bench, the greater the miscarriage of justice.

Conspiracy, collusion, fraud.

Not only has Greer unlawfully become a party to the action by acting as both jurist and guardian ad litem in the case but he, like Michael Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos, may need to insure that Terri Schiavo dies and her body immediately cremated in order to destroy evidence of not only the alleged criminal wrongdoing of Michael Schiavo but perhaps by Greer himself in impeding and interfering in valid abuse investigations.

And then there's the guardianship issue.

According to an investigation conducted by The Empire Journal, not only has Michael Schiavo allegedly egregiously violated the guardianship laws of the State of Florida, but so has Greer. By refusing to act on the petitions submitted by Terri's parents to remove the estranged husband as the guardian, Greer has violated his statutory duties as well as aided in the alleged abuse, neglect and exploitation of the ward.

Greer has steadfastly dodged the guardianship issue, refusing to rule on petitions to remove Schiavo as guardian of the person of Terri Schiavo, abdicating the duties of the judicial office as well as his position on the Sixth Circuit Committee on Guardianship Monitoring.



Condoned Medicare Fraud

In addition, with the knowledge that Terri Schiavo is not terminal, Greer has actually condoned and participated in a fraud of the federal and state governments, becoming partners with Michael Schiavo and others to allegedly engage in Medicare and Medicaid fraud by allowing the placement of Terri in a hospice without proper certification. He has also repetitively allowed Michael Schiavo to violate the statutory filing requirements under guardianship laws regarding the physical and mental condition of his ward, Terri Schiavo. Although he claims that he has ruled on the subject previously, each year that Schiavo fails to file the requisite reports and accountings constitutes a new violation, grounds for his removal as guardian.

At an evidentiary hearing before Greer in October, 2002, Dr. Victor Gambone, former attending physician of Terri Schiavo, testified under oath that his patient was not terminal and that was not in any sort of health crisis. At that time, Terri Schiavo had been a resident of Hospice of Florida Suncoast for over two years unlawfully as the requisite certification of her terminal illness had not been filed.

But instead of reporting the alleged fraud, Greer allegedly became an accomplice to it, granting the husband's petition to enroll Terri into a Medicaid program for her stay at the hospice.

On Nov. 15, 2002, Patricia Anderson, attorney for the Schindlers, filed with Greer a petition to remove Michael Schiavo as guardian. The petition included a declaration of adversary proceedings charging that the husband had violated a dozen or more Florida Statutes. As of this date, more some 2 ½ years later, Greer has never ruled on the motion---in violation of state law. But then there if a hearing was conducted as required, there would be only one way to rule on the motion---to remove Schiavo as guardian.

On Jan. 10, attorneys for Mary and Robert Schindler Sr. renewed their petition for the removal of Schiavo as guardian of their daughter and as this date, Greer has failed to rule on that motion too, in direct contravention of Florida Statutes. By refusing to conduct the required hearing on the issue and addressing the blatant violations of state law, Greer is not only aiding and abetting Michael Schiavo and George Felos but he is a lawbreaker himself, a violation of public trust and the oath of office that he presumably took and filed.

"My oath is to follow the law and if I can't follow the law, I need to step down".

According to review of Greer's handling of the Schiavo case conducted by The Empire Journal, Greer has consistently failed to follow the law and needs to hang up the black robe.

Instead of serving to protect the assets of incapacitated persons such as the disabled and the elderly, the existing guardianship system in Florida and particularly in Pinellas County presents the opportunity for unscrupulous guardians to loot the assets of their wards and enrich themselves with the complete blessing of the court.

No Report, No Authority

Pursuant to Chapter 744 of Florida Statutes, each guardian, whether non-professional or professional, is required to file an annual guardianship report, plan and accounting. By law, the court retains jurisdiction over all guardians. The court, and that includes Greer, is required to review "the appropriateness and extent of a guardianship annually and if an objection to terms of the guardianship has been filed, if interim review requested, if the guardianship report has not been received and the guardian has failed to respond to a show cause order".

Unless the court requires filing on a calendar-year basis, each guardian of the person, such as Schiavo, is required to file with the court an annual guardianship plan within 90 days after the last day of the anniversary month the letters of guardianship were signed, and the plan must cover the coming fiscal year. If calendar year filing is required, the guardianship plan must be file within 90 days after the end of the calendar year---or in the case of 2004----on March 30, two weeks after Greer has decreed that the death order be executed.

The annual accounting must also be filed at this time by the guardian of the person.

The guardian of the property, who in the Schiavo case is Alyson Carpenter according to Ken Burke, clerk of the Sixth Circuit Court, must also file an annual accounting. The annual report of a guardian of the person of an incapacitated person must consist of an annual guardianship plan. The annual report is required to be served on the ward and on the attorney for the ward. The guardian is required to provide a copy to any other person as the court may direct. Unless the ward is a minor or has been determined to be totally incapacitated, the guardian is required to review a copy of the annual report with the ward, to the extent possible. Within 30 days after the annual report has been filed, any interested person, including the ward, may file written objections to any element of the report specifying the nature of the objection.

Section 744.3685 states that if the guardian fails to file the annual guardianship report, as it is alleged in the Schiavo case, Greer is required to order the guardian to file the report within 15 days after the service of an order on him to show cause why he shouldn't be compelled to do so. If the guardian fails to file the report within the time specified without good cause, the court may cite him for contempt.

However, in the case of Greer, he has failed to exercise his mandate and instead of ordering Schiavo to comply with the law or show cause why he shouldn't have to, Greer ignores his responsibility under the law and allows Schiavo to escape the filing requirement.

If an annual report is not timely filed, the law states the court "shall", not permissive but mandatory, order the guardian to file the report or show cause why it is not timely filed. The court is required by law to review the initial and annual guardianship report to determine that the report meets the needs of the ward, authorizes a guardian to act only in areas in which the adult ward has been declared incapacitated and conforms to all other requirements of law.

In the case of Schiavo, Greer has allegedly taken no steps as required to force Schiavo to file the requisite reports and obviously in the absence of the reports being filed, Greer fails to exercise his statutory duties of reviewing the report. Without the report being filed or being reviewed as required, Greer in essence is not only allowing Schiavo to violate the guardianship laws but he himself is actually becoming a party to allowing the abuse, neglect and exploitation to occur and continue unaddressed.

Greer has consistently refused to consider the allegations of abuse even in light of the massive evidence presented to him.

By law, if an objection is filed to a report, (or the lack of the guardian to file the mandated report) the court is required by law to set the matter for hearing and conduct hearing within 30 days after filing of objection.

Greer Violating Guardianship Law Too

Greer is in violation of this section of guardianship law too as he has failed to conduct a hearing on the Nov. 2002 motion or the Jan. 11, 2005 motion. http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Pe ... ardian.pdf http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Mo ... 120602.pdf

Among the issues in the petition for the removal of Schiavo is his abandonment of the marriage, failure to provide the ward with her rights including independent legal counsel, palliative care and rehabilitation services; failure to file valid guardianship plans and mismanagement of the ward's assets.

There are a number of reasons provided for the removal of a guardian. Among those in the case of Michael Schiavo are a material failure to comply with the guardianship report by the guardian; failure to comply with rules for timely filing the initial and annual reports; failure to fulfill guardianship education requirements; fraud in obtaining her or her appointment; failure to discharge her or his duties; abuse of his powers; wasting, embezzlement or other mismanagement of ward's property; development of conflict of interest between ward and guardian; improper management of ward's assets

After the mandated hearing is held, the court shall enter a written order either approving or ordering modifications to the report. Greer has failed to do this too.

By law, the approved report constitutes the authority for guardian to act in the forthcoming year. The powers of guardian are initiated by terms of the report. The annual report may not grant additional authority to guardian without a hearing as provided. In the absence of Schiavo and Felos filing an annual report and accounting, Schiavo has no legal authority to act as a guardian in that year-----a ongoing violation which seems to have been unlawfully endorsed by Greer. By failing to take action against Schiavo to force him to comply with the law, the court is aiding and abetting Schiavo in violating the law----hardly a role that a judge should play---particularly when the stakes are a sentence of death..

Any initial, annual or final guardianship report is subject to investigation only by the court, clerk of the court or clerk's representative, the guardian, the guardian's attorney, the ward and the ward's attorney. By failing to appoint independent counsel for Terri, Greer has also violated that law.

According to Section 744.3715, at any time any interested person, including the ward, may petition the court for review, alleging that the guardian is not complying with guardianship plans or is exceeding authority under guardianship plan, and that the guardian is not acting in best interest of the ward. The petition must state the nature of objection to the guardian's action or proposed action. Upon the filing of such petition court is required by law to review the petition and act on it expeditiously.

Greer has consistently refused to do so, violating the law himself while allowing Michael Schiavo to violate numerous sections of state law, using the auspices of his judicial power and resources to allow an individual to break the law which in the case of Terri Schiavo, is against the best interests of the ward, the interests that Greer is sworn to protect. Instead, he has ordered her death to allegedly cover-up the wrongdoings of not only Michael Schiavo and others involved in the case, but himself.

Terri Schiavo collapsed amidst mysterious circumstances at her home on Feb. 25, 1990, during a time when witnesses say there had been on ongoing situation of argument and strife and possible domestic violence. The only person at the home at the time of her collapse which resulted in a lack of oxygen to the brain, causing serious brain damage, was her husband.

Within 48 hours after she had been admitted to the hospital, her husband's employer, the owner of a restaurant, arrived at the hospital. Daniel Grieco, also an attorney, consulted with Terri's parents outside the Intensive Care Unit waiting room, recommending that they sign documents that would allow Schiavo to handle Terri's medical affairs on the pretense it would expedite Terri's emergency treatment.

The attorney's rationale was since Terri was barely clinging to life, vesting Michael Schiavo with this power would expedite her medical care. Grieco did not mention that Schiavo would have exclusive power to dictate Terri's medical treatment and the authority to control the release of any medical information concerning Terri.

Another Greer Contributor

Since there are no documents in Terri's legal case files regarding this meeting with Daniel Grieco, that agreement may have been designed as a short term control solution. Notably, the document allowed Schaivo to conceal Terri's hospital admittance records and the ability to filter all of the doctor's information. (Daniel Grieco was a $300 contributor to the 2004 election campaign of Judge Greer)

As an example, on March 5, 1991, just 53 weeks after Terri's collapse, a bone scan taken of Terri revealed a healed broken right femur bone and healed bone fractures in her ribs, pelvis, spine and ankle. The radiologist, Dr. Walker, concluded that "Terri has a history of trauma" and presumed "that the other multiple areas of abnormal activity also relate to previous trauma". WALKER PDF & Bone Scan

Despite testimony and sworn affidavits by caregivers attesting to the alleged abuse, neglect and exploitation of Terri Schiavo allegedly at the hands of Michael Schiavo, Greer has steadfastly refused to consider any of the allegations.

An orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Hamilton, initially saw Terri a few months after she collapsed. Schiavo never disclosed this information to any of the Schinder family.

On June 18, 1990, after a conducted investigation declaring Terri incapacitated, a hearing was held in a St. Petersburg courtroom appointing Michael Schiavo as Terri's legal guardian.

The St. Petersburg court files state that Terri's parents were notified by mail of these events, including the hearing, and had no objections to Michael Schiavo being appointed legal guardian.

Terri's parents emphatically state that they did not know of the investigation which concluded that Terri was incapacitated or the subsequent court hearing and were never notified.

Additionally, there is no evidence of any documentation in Terri's legal case files verifying that Terri's parents supported Michael Schiavo's guardianship appointment, other than a reference that Terri's parents were in agreement. It should be noted that during this 1990 time frame, Terri's parents were in daily contact with Michael Schiavo and nothing was ever mentioned regarding these court proceedings by Schiavo or his attorney. The entire legal guardianship transaction was handled by attorney Daniel Grieco who later contributed to Greer's election campaign as did each one of the attorneys representing Michael Schiavo.

In fact, not only did Hamdin Baskin III contribute the maximum of $500 to Greer's campaign, but so did his law partner, Joseph Fleece, thereby the law firm of Baskin and Fleece contributed a total of $1,000 to Greer's reelection at the time Baskin was representing Michael Schiavo in the guardianship proceeding before Greer.

In 1993, the Schindlers filed a petition in Pinellas Circuit Court, to have Michael Schiavo removed as Terri's guardian, claiming he was compromised by the money he had been awarded as the result of medical malpractice claims against doctors who had been treating Terri prior to her collapse, and that he was no longer acting in her best interest.

In August, 1992, Terri was awarded $250,000 in a settlement by the insurance company of Dr. Joel Prawer who was later cleared by the state Department of Health of all negligence in the case. In November, 1992, she was awarded $1.4 million following the malpractice trial of Dr. Stephen Igel and Schiavo himself was awarded $600,000 for loss of consortium, giving him a sum of $2.25 million.

A probate judge dismissed the case after an independent guardian ad litem issued a report stating that he was acting in her best interests.

For the next five years, the Schindlers were unsuccessful in their legal maneuvers to get Terri's medical records and take over their daughter's guardianship. Meanwhile, Michael Schiavo became involved with another woman. They became engaged in 1996 and have two children together.

In 1998, Schiavo filed a petition to have Terri's nutrition and hydration tube removed. The case when to trial in February, 2000 before Greer as the probate judge handling guardianship matters. Based on self-serving hearsay evidence by Michael Schiavo, inadmissible by law, Greer ruled that there was "clear and convincing" evidence that Terri Schiavo would not want to receive assisted feeding and on Feb. 11, 2000, signed her death order allowing her guardian, Michael Schiavo to remove the assisted feeding which will cause her death by starvation.

Circuit Investigates Guardians Annually

According to the newsletter of the Sixth Judicial Circuit, the circuit investigates guardians at least once a year as part of the court's responsibility in ensuring that the best interests of the wards are being met. For non-professional guardians, such as Michael Schiavo, the reinvestigations are due at the time of filing of the annual accounting or if the time to file has been extended, then when the annual accounting is filed with the annual plan.

However, there is no indication that the court has ever conducted an annual investigation of Michael Schiavo.

The court---and that includes Greer---is required by statute to review both the guardianship accounting and plan. The monitoring of a guardianship begins at the initial filing with the court. Following the initial investigation and filing by the guardian, according to the newsletter, the court conducts a follow-up investigation on an annual basis to insure that parties remain qualified under the law to protect the rights, health and safety of the individual. A $50 statutory annual fee is required for the initial investigation and annually thereafter for the guardian of the person and property and guardian of the property alone. The fee for guardian of the person, such as Schiavo, is $ $25 upon filing and annually thereafter. Professional guardians are required to pay the fee annually and not for every case.

The court is also required to audit all guardianship reports----therefore, the court must insure that all reports are filed. In addition, the court must also conduct random comprehensive filed audits to ensure that the guardians are acting appropriate regarding their activities to court accurately. It is the court role of protecting citizens and assist state in meeting the needs of elderly and incapacitated population but apparently in the case of Greer, not only has allowed Michael Schiavo to violate the guardianship laws by not filing the requisite accountings, plans and reports, but Greer himself has failed to comply with the law.

The guardianship court monitor investigates when appointed by the probate judge to look into a particular guardianship case. The monitor reviews al internal, annual and interim guardianship rights and reports the findings to the court.

Even though Greer has failed to comply with the law in ensuring that Michael Schiavo is accountable to the court in protecting the interests of the ward by his required annual filings, Schiavo is also accountable to the clerk of circuit court who is now Ken Burke.

Burke took office Jan. 1 after Karleen DeBlaker retired after more than 20 years in the position.

Clerk Required To Do Annual Review

Burke as clerk of the Sixth Judicial Circuit is required by law to review each initial and annual guardianship report to ensure it contains information about the ward; physical and mental health care, personal and social services, the residential setting, application of insurance, private benefits and government benefits, and physical and mental health exams.

The clerk also undertakes an initial verified inventory of the annual accounting and is mandated by law within 30 days after the date of filing of initial or annual report of the guardian of the person complete his or her review of the report.

Within 90 days of the filing of the initial or annual guardianship report by the guardian, he is required to audit the verified inventory or annual accounting and is mandated to advise the court of the results of audit. The clerk shall report to the court when a report is not timely filed.

Therefore, by law, not only is Michael Schiavo required to file an annual guardianship plan and accounting, but the court clerk is required to audit same and that audit is part of the public record and subject to public scrutiny and review. http://myfloridalegal.com/ago.nsf/Opini ... C5005D3AED

"Guardianship is an area ripe for fraud and where most fraud abuse has in fact occurred", DeBlaker has said. Particularly critical of the way that the Sixth Circuit Court judges handle guardianships is Robert W. Melton, chief deputy director internal audit division, certified public accountant, certified fraud examiner with the Pinellas County Circuit Court. During public hearings conducted by the Florida Guardian Task Force appointed by Florida legislators to address guardianship reform, Melton testified that in his office was being "stonewalled" in their attempts to audit guardianship.

According to a report appearing in the April, 2004 issued of the Gulf Coast Business Review by Francis Gilpin, associate editor, Melton told the task force that "In Pinellas County, attempts are being made to limit the clerk's authority", a county where George Greer is the Administrative Judge of the Probate Division. "This ranges from guardians that refuse to submit to an audit unless a court order is received, to judges that question the authority of the clerk to use professional auditing staff to conduct the audits".

While Melton advocates opening the guardianship process to public review, Greer is opposed to that practice. Melton said openness would be one way to prevent improprieties, making public the initial inventories of wards' estates and the annual accountings of assets that guardians are required to file with the court. "The lack of public scrutiny breeds misdeeds and misappropriations because people who may know the truth would not have access", according to Melton.

Greer has reportedly said that he sees more potential for financial abuse by immediate family members who create guardianships or gain power of attorney status than by professional guardians. Melton told the task force that there have been times when a Pinellas judge, whom he did not name, has prevented clerk's auditors from examining the entire record of a guardianship case.

Melton told the task force that the assets of wards are being transferred into pooled trusts that he says operate imprudently outside the supervision of the courts. He adds that the real estate of wards is being sold at below-market prices to land trusts whose owners don't have to be disclosed. Pooled trusts are promoted as a legal method for wards to maintain Medicaid eligibility in nursing homes, according to Melton.

"When we have both guardians and judges trying to keep auditors out, we have a system ripe for corruption and fraud", Melton said.

Former chief Judge F. Dennis Alvarez of the 13th Circuit, Hillsborough County, says that Pinellas County has historically resisted guardianship reform. Perhaps that's because there's big money to be made among lawyers and other players in guardianships---particularly in the disposition of assets of wards including real and personal property including real estate, jewelry and antiques in addition to the guardian fees.

Melton says that Pinellas judges, which include George Greer, not only keep court records hidden from public view but are anxious to extend the cloak of secrecy to the audits. In February, 2004, Melton recommended to Chief Judge David Demers that he take a closer look at guardianships in the Sixth Circuit.

Greer recently unsuccessfully challenged Demers for the position of chief judge of the circuit.

In 2002, the same year as Schindlers filed their previous petition before Greer for the removal of Schiavo, ignored by Greer, court auditors concluded that court officials had failed to monitor guardianships carefully. The clerk's office, which systematically reviews about 2,400 guardianships in Pinellas County annual, set up a fraud hotline. Te report suspected fraud in a guardianship to county auditors, call 727-453-3728.

While conducting audits of guardianship reports, the Pinellas clerk's office discovered serious irregularities. Pinellas County state attorney Bernie McCabe confirmed in 2003 that a preliminary inquiry had been initiated by his office into selected Pinellas guardianships. However, despite the by then well-publicized failure of Michael Schiavo to file his required guardianship plans and accountings, McCabe took no action in that case. He opened an inquiry into Adult Comprehensive Protection Services which managed the assets of 300 of the county's elderly and infirm and which had allegedly mismanaged the funds of some of the county's most vulnerable residents.

The inquiry was stonewalled when the ACPS attorney denied access to minutes of the agency's board of directors. The attorney was Richard Pearse, the former guardian ad litem in the Terri Schiavo case Pearse had recommended that the feeding tube not be removed in his GAL report to Greer in 1999. Thereafter, Schiavo petitioned Greer for Pearse's removal as GAL and Greer complied. Since then, Greer has refused to appoint a new guardian ad litem, acting in the role himself---prohibited by Canon 3 of the state Code of Judicial Conduct. No judge may serve as a guardian unless the ward is a member of his own family.

Melton and other critics say the court system favors the guardian. When court challenges are raised to a guardianship as in the Schiavo case, the proof needed by the petitioner is in documents which are sealed by the court---and Greer----claiming its for the protection of the ward. When complaints are made to law enforcement agencies such as in the Schiavo case, officials such as McCabe---with a prohibited conflict of interest with Greer, and former Sheriff Everett Rice who also had a prohibited conflict of interest with Greer as well as being a member of the board of directors of the Hospice Foundation of Florida Suncoast, a subsidiary of the corporation operating the hospice where Terri Schiavo is a resident, claim it's a civil matter being handled by the courts.

According to critics, guardianships are based on the assumption that the court will provide oversight, the guardian will be honest and discharge his duties toward the ward responsibly.

"When we have both guardians and judges trying to keep the auditors out, we have a system ripe for corruption and fraud", De Blaker and Melton told the task force. "The practices I have seen in the short time I have been involved in guardianships is shocking", Melton said. "It's time to put an end to unscrupulous practices at the expense of our state's most vulnerable citizens".

Politically connected attorneys who stand to profit handsomely from guardianship fees are involved with alleged guardianship abuse. In Greer's 2004 reelection campaign, a massive $144,000 was raised in campaign contributions, said to be the largest amount ever raised in a judicial campaign. More than half of those contributors were attorneys----attorneys whose practices in real estate, probate, wills and elder law stand to profit greatly from guardianships to which they are court appointed by probate judges such as George W. Greer. .


Read it and weep....... :( :(
 
Thanks, CKC1586. Geez, can't believe I missed the entire 2nd page of this thread when I posted that. (I better hurry up with my own living will at this rate.)
 
cherokeeruby":gsjb6its said:

Was this the one in Houston, were the baby's organs weren't going to grow, dwarfism and a bunch of other mental and physical problems?

I personally wouldn't want to put a child of mine through the pain of these problems. Operations and different medical procedures.

On another note, who do you think would have paid for all the operations and care for this child and mother for all of his life?
 
ok... if you could ever percieve that you were in her medical condition, would you choose life or death?
I'm with Dun on this on. I also agree that starvation is not right but if it is the only choice then so be it.
I for one would choose the krevorkian method for myself.
 
I don't beleive in anything or anybody suffering. At least when Kevorkian was practicing his assisted suicides,hopefully, the people he did in made the decision themselves.this woman can't say for herself, what she wants done. Whether she's a vegetable or not starvation is horrible, hell I know how I feel if I don't eat lunch and it's 3-4 hrs late. The case has so much controversy. I guess it's made me think that if it was me, to have a provision drawn up in a will that stated call the vet and put me down.
 
I can't say what these people should do as I am not in that family to know all of what is going on. It has lead to discussions between my husband and myself. We have the same feelings. If either of us were in this situation, we want the other to let us die. I told him to keep me hopped up on morphine though 'cuz I'm not big on pain. I know that morphine can make death painless from personal experiences. Divorce is not a good option in our opinion. Divorce splits the marital property and monies to both parties. The invalids properties and monies would end up being handled by whoever is going to take responsilbility of that person. They would end up selling the property and using all monies to care for that person. I would not want to see everything my husband and I worked for distroyed just to care for me when I am not an asset to society. I can never perform as a wife, mother, business partner, etc. My husband would have to continue living through all of this. I worked too hard to build what we have to loose it all for both of us. I would rather be gone and give him the chance to carry on our dream.
 
I think we all need to think of what we would want done if we were in this condition. When your read all these websites talking about how her condition is not as grave as her MDs say it is, you need to remember that this the information of those that want to keep her alive want you to see and not necessarily the facts.

I think that her family is not facing the reality of her prognosis or her condition. They state that she is alert but I don't think that is true but for the sake of argument lets say that she is. Can you imagine the torture that she must be feeling having a mind that works and trapped in a prison that she has no control of and no way to communicate whats going on in her mind. I would rather be dead than mentally suffer in that way.

When considering "starving to death" we are considering how we as conscious beings would suffer when this occurs. I had to go through this with my uncle and the MD told me that for someone who's mind in not functioning properly that it is painless and that the person goes into a sleep and passes on.

For those of you who state that the husband should just divorce her and go on with his live, consider if your spouse/loved one was suffering could you just "divorce" yourself and everything would be okay? I would hope that my wife would continue to fight for my right to die if I had no quality of life.

I've worked in EMS for 27 years and seen many people who are suffering through a life that is much worse that death. For those of you believe in God and an after life, why should this poor woman not be allowed to pass and become perfect at the feet of God?

Just my two cents worth and considering inflation, that's not worth much.

Chris.
 
ottersbro":3i9foclq said:
ok... if you could ever percieve that you were in her medical condition, would you choose life or death?
I'm with Dun on this on. I also agree that starvation is not right but if it is the only choice then so be it.
I for one would choose the krevorkian method for myself.

Even convicted mass murderers get a "lethal injection"....Killers on death row seem to have more rights than Terry Schiavo and her parents.... Think about it. :( :cry: :x
 
Some of you couldn't have taken the time to read and think through the Springer post and still hold the opinions you have. The nurses who cared for her are not family, and they say she interacted with them in various ways. Any low down scoundrel of a husband who calls his disabled wife the term for a female dog when asking if she has died yet does not deserve to have a decision in the matter. If the woman had been allowed to have therapy years ago, her story might have been different. What do these nurses have to gain if they are lying? They have signed affidavits about M. Schiavo's behaviour that could get them in trouble for perjury if they are not true. Plus, he has changed his story concerning her wishes.

People think! We should always err on the side of life!
 

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