15 years ago we sold out when we moved to MO. I checked around and went to a number of breeders and association sales. Couldn;t find the kind of Shorthorns that we had before so ended up with Red Angus. I don;t regret going with them but I still have a softspot for Shorthorns. All of them we saw either were the size of a Brown swiss or gangly and way too hairy. And none of the non-asterisks stuff was to be found.