Salebarn Today

[backhoeboogie]

BHB, is the salebarn in Mineral Wells any better than the one in Cleburne? We quit going to the one in Cleburne.

Alice

Alice I liked it better. In fact Cleburne is my least favorite of all of them in the surrounding area. The best deal I ever have taken on a cow at the sale barn came out of Mineral Wells and I bid on that cow just by chance because she was so cheap (fall calver too). We could have passed on her. MW does have a lot of cattle off of some of the bigger ranches who haven't seen people in their lifetime :lol: Be careful :lol: Bought a jumper from there once who had olympic capabilities.

 

[Alice]

BHB, is the salebarn in Mineral Wells any better than the one in Cleburne? We quit going to the one in Cleburne.

Alice

Alice I liked it better. In fact Cleburne is my least favorite of all of them in the surrounding area. The best deal I ever have taken on a cow at the sale barn came out of Mineral Wells and I bid on that cow just by chance because she was so cheap (fall calver too). We could have passed on her. MW does have a lot of cattle off of some of the bigger ranches who haven't seen people in their lifetime :lol: Be careful :lol: Bought a jumper from there once who had olympic capabilities.

When I leave the Cleburne salebarn, my head is pounding and Van is in a foul mood. Needless to say, it is also our least favorite. Van works in Mineral Wells...we may visit that salebarn soon. We have a couple of calves to sell.

Alice

 

[eric]

BHB, is the salebarn in Mineral Wells any better than the one in Cleburne? We quit going to the one in Cleburne.

Alice

Didnt the MW salebarn run into some legal/financial trouble a few yrs back? It was either MW or the other barn that the same guy owned. Something about not having enough funds to cover all the sellers or something along those lines.


I've got to say that I've found the salebarn in Van Zandt to be the best as far as the Saturdays sales go. Paris and Emory seem to have to many jockeys there who just switch barns from week to week. Really like Pilot Point, but there just isn't the volume there to get a really good selection of animals. Not sure how much longer PP can hang in there, I noticed he stopped advertising in the Weekly Livestock Reporter.

 

[backhoeboogie]

Didnt the MW salebarn run into some legal/financial trouble a few yrs back? It was either MW or the other barn that the same guy owned. Something about not having enough funds to cover all the sellers or something along those lines.

If so eric, this is the first I've heard of it. Could be him since I know he had a sale barn in Weatherford at one point. I've never sold anything in MW, only been a buyer there.

 

[MoGal]

Hubby and I went up to Farmington this past saturday night as they had a bred cow sale 400-500 head.

The old, 3rd stage, and some of them were real snot blowers were 400-600.

3 yr old black angus in 2nd stage brought 1150 each.

Yearling purebred hereford heifers brought 650 each.

Cow calf pairs started at $850 and went up to $1200 depending on quality.

We only stayed for a couple of hours but does seem to me that many of the cattle weren't in the best of shape, not necessarily thin but they hadn't been fed all the hay they could eat this past winter and it showed.

 

[backhoeboogie]

3 yr old black angus in 2nd stage brought 1150 each.

Yearling purebred hereford heifers brought 650 each.

You are going to talk me in to buying a semi load of angus locally and truck them north, while I am there buy a load of herfs for a backhaul. Looks like it would be profit in both directions.

 

[Caustic Burno]

3 yr old black angus in 2nd stage brought 1150 each.

Yearling purebred hereford heifers brought 650 each.

You are going to talk me in to buying a semi load of angus locally and truck them north, while I am there buy a load of herfs for a backhaul. Looks like it would be profit in both directions.

See very few pastures here with black unless it is Brangus, trend here is Red or White cow in the pasture and the Bulls are the rainbow. Ranchers in this area are after pounds not color for the scales at the salebarn. Char crosses as well as Herf/Brammer and both crossed with Brangus are the more common.
Like I said 14 Char bullls went through the sell as they were being replaced by new ones. Mike this says a lot about what the Char breeders have done about CE.
All horned cattle are selling at can and cutter prices.

 

[J & B Farms]

We went to Mo-Kan in Passaic, Mo Sat.
3 to 4 year olds heavy bred 1,000 to 1,300 all black
5 to 7 year olds heavy bred 900 to 1,200
SS to BM heavy bred 750 to 900

 

[sidney411]

My uncle sold 3 calves at the MW barn a few years ago. I will never sale there again. We dropped them off and had the check mailed to him. We dropped off 2 big bulls calves at least 600 lbs and one heifer about 500 lb range. When he got the check it was for 1 calf @ 320, 1 calf @ 410 and 1 calf @ 290. He called and complained but they couldn't (wouldn't) do anything. Someone must have messed up or swithched the backtags somehow.

 

[Caustic Burno]

My uncle sold 3 calves at the MW barn a few years ago. I will never sale there again. We dropped them off and had the check mailed to him. We dropped off 2 big bulls calves at least 600 lbs and one heifer about 500 lb range. When he got the check it was for 1 calf @ 320, 1 calf @ 410 and 1 calf @ 290. He called and complained but they couldn't (wouldn't) do anything. Someone must have messed up or swithched the backtags somehow.

I have seen a lot of cattlemen get mad at the scales at the barn. Did you weigh the calfs? If you didn't he had no idea what they weighed.
A lot of those 500 pound calves don't weigh anywhere close legs and hide have fooled more then one rancher. Always weigh mine before they leave they will shock you on how light some of them are on the scales.

 

[EIEIO]

Came home with an empty trailer again.

Wise move Caustic.

Friday February 23 I went to the Dublin Sale to get some splits for my nurse cow. We were only there for about 6 hours and didn't stick around for the calves. Some decent animals came through at very reasonable prices. There were a few VERY high quality cows that could turn your head pushing up to $900.

I haven't been speculating much at the sale barns lately but will be soon.

Highest priced cows through the barn were tigers and red baldies with blacks in a distant last unless it had ear. Chars crosses were about middle leaning to the higher side.
Interesting trend on the blacks.

Caustic, I find your comment saying "unless it had ear" real interesting because my best cow has a bit of a stripe on her and her calves always bring lowest dollar for me but she never fails year after year to produce on time and is a great mama that even weans her own if I let her.

I got curious once why her calves came in low when I thought they looked great and had a good friend that used to own a sale barn come look to at her and a calf she had once cause I valued his opinion, his reply after just looking for a second was her calves sold low because there was too much flop (think that was the word he used) in the calves ears and said it indicated too much of a Brama influence and order buyers around here stayed away from cattle like that.

Sounds to me like her calves would bring top dollar at your sale barn. I've got to stick with what brings me the most money and right now it is Brangus (black and black baldies) but I still keep around some Hereford and Red Angus crosses along with my favorite gal with the stripe.

J

 

[eric]

Didnt the MW salebarn run into some legal/financial trouble a few yrs back? It was either MW or the other barn that the same guy owned. Something about not having enough funds to cover all the sellers or something along those lines.

If so eric, this is the first I've heard of it. Could be him since I know he had a sale barn in Weatherford at one point. I've never sold anything in MW, only been a buyer there.

Here is the link we discussed a yr or so ago.....


More about Mineral Wells Stockyards & Weatheford Stockyards owned by Weldon Glidewell

http://151.121.3.117/newsroom/e-foia/ac ... -03-14.pdf

 

[backhoeboogie]

Here is the link we discussed a yr or so ago.....

Thanks for that link eric. Guess I missed that discussion or thread. But then again, I only buy there, so it wouldn't have affected me. I cut him a check and they load the cows I bid on. He ran the ring well and had some good spotters.

One old crusty cattleman friend of mine buys at MW and no where else.

 

[backhoeboogie]

Caustic, I find your comment saying "unless it had ear" real interesting because my best cow has a bit of a stripe on her and her calves always bring lowest dollar for me but she never fails year after year to produce on time and is a great mama that even weans her own if I let her.

J

You said it right there J. "My BEST cow...."

From my persective, that is what I am looking for when I am buying cows. If those cows are out of favor with the popular buyers, it is all the better for me because it saves me nickels in overall cost to attain that cow.

Here's the problem. When you are building your herd and trying to develop some of those cows, you wind up with about 50% bull calves, which get steered and you take a hit on ear. But those calves are healthy and heavier because momma has the milk, heat resistance and disease resistance to put the weight on them. Overall $ input in the calf is less if they are healthy.

There is a whole lot to be said on calf mortality. Just read through the threads here and note folks over and over saying, "I had 10 purebred first time heifers and only wound up with 7 calves..." Those 3 losses are pocket busters. Even if those 3 babies would have had longer ears, they would have brought a few nickels had they lived and developed.

Once you get your herd of good mommas, you can put a popular bull behind them with less ear on the output and heavier calves based on mommas input.

When I look at calf mortality, the most popular breed out there is not faring very well in my pastures. Year before last I lost a heifer calf to an 8 year old angus momma. It was my only loss that year. Last year's crop I lost a heifer calf to a 4 year old angus momma and it was my only loss. All of the remaining cows in my pasture have never lost a calf. These are just facts as to what I have in my operation right now. Angus are cheap around here at the last couple of sales. It has been tempting to jump on them just because they are so cheap. If I were to buy any, I'd buy fall calvers because this breed fares well in the winters around here. Secondly angus steers have been fetching a lot of nickels.

My favorite breed by far is brangus. They do very well in this climate year round. Hence, what angus does the most for me personally is its input into the brangus breed.

 

[MoGal]

Also forgot to say earlier, when they split the pair up, beef calves were bringing $190 to $240 ....... don't know how anyone can buy a bottle calf for that.

 

[BC]

Here is what cattle brought at Van Zandt County Livestock this past week. Those top pairswere some good young Brangus type cows with good babies.

Steers:
300 lbs & down: 0.64 - 1.55
300 - 400: 0.85 - 1.35
400 - 500: 0.74 - 1.30
500 - 600: 0.64 - 1.13
600 - 700: 0.90 - 1.05
700 - 800: 0.85 - 0.98

Heifers:
300 lbs & down: 0.80 - 1.30
300 - 400: 0.80 - 1.25
400 - 500: 0.75 - 1.16
500 - 600: 0.76 - 1.12
600 - 700: 0.75 - 1.05
700 - 800: 0.80 - 0.90

Slaughter

Cows: 0.30 - 0.57
Heavy Bulls: 0.55 - 0.65
Lt. Bulls: 0.59 - 0.70
Stockers: 375.00 - 1050.00

Pairs
Top: 1250.00
Low - Middle: 810.00 - 1050.00
Calves: 1.50 - 2.30

 

[dcara]

BC - did you get those numbers out of the Livestock reporter?

Here's a link to various auction results by state

http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsmnpubs/CFAuction.htm

 

[BC]

I got those numbers from the website they just started:

http://www.vanzandtcountylivestock.com/index.html

 

[vs_cattle]

Fresno, CA - Sale On Sat
Madera, CA - Sale Fri
Madera, CA Tues

 

[Limomike]

And here is the latest Tulsa Stockyard sale on 3/5:

Tulsa Stockyards
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Monday Auctions 3/5/2007

Receipts: 2187 Last Week: 1820 Last Year: 2806

Compared to last week: Stocker cattle and calves 2.00-6.00 higher,
with 3 to 4 weights as much as 8.00-10.00 higher. Feeder cattle 2.00-5.00
higher. Good attendance of buyers with many country buyers pushing trade. Cattle
in thin to fleshy condition. Quality mostly average. Receipts comprised of 36
percent steers, 52 percent heifers with 29 percent feeder cattle over 600 lbs.
. Slaughter cows and bulls 2.00-3.00 lower. Good attendance of buyers.
Moderate interest in long bred, young to middle aged cows. No test on cow-calf
pairs. Total of 250 cows and bulls sold with 45 percent to packers.

Feeder Steers Medium and Large 1
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
5 259 259 156.00 156.00
15 306-345 311 140.00-148.00 147.05
20 350-395 372 142.00-155.00 150.40
26 400-443 424 133.00-146.00 136.84
20 458-490 472 122.50-129.50 124.55
17 500-544 533 121.00-124.00 121.52
25 550-595 570 113.50-122.00 117.73
29 600-628 611 107.00-116.00 109.64
7 659-663 660 102.00-108.50 106.63
21 705-734 728 104.00 104.00
7 766 766 100.00 100.00
9 805 805 95.50 95.50
15 860-896 890 91.00-93.75 93.03

Feeder Steers Medium and Large 2
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
10 310-345 328 131.00-139.00 133.80
18 351-395 369 130.00-137.00 133.75
5 405-408 407 127.00-128.00 127.20
10 465-498 484 115.00-124.00 119.07
24 500-548 529 107.00-117.00 111.15
12 555-593 583 100.00-111.50 107.70
8 600-635 620 100.00-107.00 103.71
6 718-725 719 95.00-99.00 98.33

Feeder Steers Medium and Large 3
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
6 634 634 93.50 93.50

Feeder ***Bulls*** Medium and Large 1
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
5 365-390 380 130.00-137.00 134.31
15 435-447 442 125.00-133.00 128.93
7 450-498 487 114.00-121.00 117.43
15 500-542 531 114.00-118.00 116.77
9 550-585 572 105.00-112.00 109.30
17 610-646 639 100.00-109.00 106.50
22 650-695 678 93.00-102.50 98.35
6 705-730 715 93.50-95.00 94.00
6 755 755 91.50-92.00 91.67
12 925 925 86.00 86.00

Feeder Heifers Medium and Large 1
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
7 275-290 284 139.00-151.00 142.45
34 305-345 325 127.00-140.00 131.75
21 365-380 373 127.00-138.00 131.60
37 407-438 419 116.00-127.00 119.22
61 450-498 474 110.00-118.00 113.65
67 500-544 525 105.00-115.00 109.10
39 555-595 577 100.00-107.50 104.05
61 600-648 617 90.00-99.00 95.50
19 655-693 671 90.00-94.00 91.69
10 700-748 742 90.00-93.00 91.66

Feeder Heifers Medium and Large 1-2
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
13 637 637 89.50 89.50

Feeder Heifers Medium and Large 2
Head Wt Range Avg Wt Price Range Avg Price
18 358-395 373 111.00-122.00 117.55
26 400-445 422 107.00-116.00 110.84
13 460-495 475 100.00-111.00 106.16
17 508-545 527 98.00-106.00 102.36
16 550-595 585 90.00-99.00 95.49

C O W S

Slaughter Cows:
Head %Lean Weight Average Dress High Dress Low Dress
Breakers 17 75-80% 1100-1550 49.00-52.50 53.00-55.50 47.50-48.00
Boners 25 80-85% 975-1425 48.00-51.50 52.00-54.00 44.00-47.50
Lean 20 85-90% 975-1400 48.00-51.50 ----- 43.50-47.00
Light 26 85-92% 625-1050 40.50-44.00 45.00-50.00 36.00-39.50

Slaughter Bulls:
Head Weight Average Dress High Dress Low Dress
Y.G. 1-2 29 1200-2250 60.50-64.00 64.50-69.50 56.00-60.50

Replacement Cows: Pre-tested for bangs, pregnancy, and age
Medium and Large 1
Age Weight Months Bred Quality Price/Head
2-5 yr old 950-1325 3-6 months avg quality 750.00-850.00;
3-6 yr old 1090-1425 4-7 months avg blacks 885.00-985.00;
4-6 yr old 1375 7-8 months hi blacks 1175.00.