Romagnola Weaning Weights

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A neighbor brought his March/April Romagnola calf crop to the barn here today for weaning weights:

Bulls - Avg. 804 lbs.
Heifers - Avg. 766 lbs.

For anyone who might be interested. I must admit.......they were thick and,,,,,,,gentle.
 
March/April -approximately 270 days +/- = approx. 3.00lbs/da.
Were they backgrounded? What are his plans for them now? What is he doing with the heifers? Are they purebred or cross bred? Is he in the Registered business? I know nothing about the Romagnola Breed. Are you impressed with them at all?

DOC HARRIS
 
DOC HARRIS":j2b96qub said:
March/April -approximately 270 days +/- = approx. 3.00lbs/da.
Were they backgrounded? What are his plans for them now? What is he doing with the heifers? Are they purebred or cross bred? Is he in the Registered business? I know nothing about the Romagnola Breed. Are you impressed with them at all?

DOC HARRIS
1-No creep, right off the cow.
2-He plans separate the heifers and bulls and grow them. I suppose.
2-Save the heifers and grow his herd.
3-Purebred.
4-Yes.

They are somewhat like my Chars. Bigboned and meaty. Their back legs are configured differently (postlegged), but all in all, yes I am somewhat impressed. Sure would like to see some cross bred calves from those cows. He had no calving problems this spring. (One of my main concerns)
 
MikeC":irwggmw1 said:
CKC1586":irwggmw1 said:
How old were they??

Born March and April this year.
Oh sorry I didn't read the top very close did I?! That is pretty good, I just weaned my heifer and she weighed in at 632 at 5 months. I thought that was pretty good since her sister last year at 6 months was 686.
 
Mike -- No creep, but did they get to feast all summer on a lush pasture of pearl millet or something similar? What would you say the average weight of the cows was? And were they all mature cows?
 
Arnold Ziffle":2a7jabtc said:
Mike -- No creep, but did they get to feast all summer on a lush pasture of pearl millet or something similar? What would you say the average weight of the cows was? And were they all mature cows?

I didn't see the cows, he trailered the calves to my barn. But I have seen a few of them and they are pretty big. I'd say 1500 lbs.

They were on Bahia grass all summer (unfertilized, I might add- knowing him) and yes, all the cows are mature 3-6 year olds.
 
MikeC":24r2ct1b said:
DOC HARRIS":24r2ct1b said:
March/April -approximately 270 days +/- = approx. 3.00lbs/da.
Were they backgrounded? What are his plans for them now? What is he doing with the heifers? Are they purebred or cross bred? Is he in the Registered business? I know nothing about the Romagnola Breed. Are you impressed with them at all?

DOC HARRIS
1-No creep, right off the cow.
2-He plans separate the heifers and bulls and grow them. I suppose.
2-Save the heifers and grow his herd.
3-Purebred.
4-Yes.

They are somewhat like my Chars. Bigboned and meaty. Their back legs are configured differently (postlegged), but all in all, yes I am somewhat impressed. Sure would like to see some cross bred calves from those cows. He had no calving problems this spring. (One of my main concerns)
Mike- If you visit the Romagnola site on the Associations link, you can see a picture of a cross with Charolais.

DOC HARRIS
 
It seems the italian cattle are having a hard time maintaning popularity. If a guy did raise Romys it seems that he would get stuck with the negative stigma attached to Piedmontese and Chianina.
 
Beef11":9g0y4hwz said:
It seems the italian cattle are having a hard time maintaning popularity. If a guy did raise Romys it seems that he would get stuck with the negative stigma attached to Piedmontese and Chianina.
I don't know anyone that would want them.
 
la4angus":m2bh843n said:
Beef11":m2bh843n said:
It seems the italian cattle are having a hard time maintaning popularity. If a guy did raise Romys it seems that he would get stuck with the negative stigma attached to Piedmontese and Chianina.
I don't know anyone that would want them.

"stig·ma ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stgm)
n. pl. stig·ma·ta (stg-mät, -mt, stgm-) or stig·mas

1. A mark or token of infamy, disgrace, or reproach"

The two above preceding statements are indicative of many on this board and in the world of cattle. Maybe even including me! For a cattleman (who is actually in the beef business) to allude to the fact that another breed of cattle might be "stigmatized" only because of their loyalty to his own breed has huge repercussions on the incomes of others who are in the beef business, but are boycotted by others only because of "perceptions" by the ignorant.

LaAngus; I read your posts fervently because I respect your knowledge, wit, and intelligence of the cattle business. But I promise you this........if you know anyone........anyone at all who sells cattle by the pound.............you know someone who would want the aforementioned calves.

Yes, the gentleman who owns these calves will probably take a hit when he sells them. But not because they are not good calves. He will take a hit because it is built in the system that some breeds "CAN and WILL" be discriminated against simply because of the ignorance of others and the ability to do so.

I have persuaded the man who owns these calves to take any ones he will not use in his herd to; send them to the feedlot and sell on the grid in order to bypass any buyers who will take advantage of him when given the opportunity.

I'll get off my soapbox and relegate myself to the chores before me in order to attempt the impossible and persuade others that there is a place for more than one breed of cattle in this world.

"I don't know anyone who would want them"..............

What a ridiculous and "Holier than Thou" statement from someone who............ HASN'T EVEN SEEN THEM!

My humblest regards
 
Frankie":3bdvoikx said:
Larry Sansom actually has experience with the breed and earlier gave us his thoughts on the breed.

http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

So I guess you are saying that it's OK to denigrate an entire breed of cattle because of "One Experience" with them? I guess this is the "Gospel"?

Thanks for helping make my point Frankie.

Of course "I" don't have any experience with them. I just ran them through my chute and weighed them.......all the while observing how muscled, gentle, and generally well put together these calves were.

There are people who would "Love" to have a calf crop like I saw yesterday. Just because they are not "Your" breed does NOT make them inferior.
 
MikeC":3cja77d4 said:
Frankie":3cja77d4 said:
Larry Sansom actually has experience with the breed and earlier gave us his thoughts on the breed.

http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

So I guess you are saying that it's OK to denigrate an entire breed of cattle because of "One Experience" with them? I guess this is the "Gospel"?

Thanks for helping make my point Frankie.

Of course "I" don't have any experience with them. I just ran them through my chute and weighed them.......all the while observing how muscled, gentle, and generally well put together these calves were.

There are people who would "Love" to have a calf crop like I saw yesterday. Just because they are not "Your" breed does NOT make them inferior.

I never said they were inferior, nor did LA. I just gave you a link to a person who actually had hands on experience with them and wasn't trying to promote them. When a breed doesn't grow in numbers or is discounted at the sale barn, there's usually a good reason.

You suggested to the owner that he retain ownership. What's to keep you from buying them and sending them through the feedlot?
 
MikeC":u49dgjk2 said:
Just because they are not "Your" breed does NOT make them inferior.

Now thats funny ..You might apply that policy yourself ;-) to other people and their breeding programs
 
frenchie":2mdn4dcz said:
MikeC":2mdn4dcz said:
Just because they are not "Your" breed does NOT make them inferior.

Now thats funny ..You might apply that policy yourself ;-) to other people and their breeding programs

You are exactly correct frenchie on applying that policy to myself.

But I disagree with the "funny" part.
 
Thanks again Macon!


A FIRST HAND LOOK AT ROMAGNOLA BULLS

Jay Nixon

Some of you will recall that a couple of years ago, I wrote an article about attending a field day at Cherokee Hills Ranch near Paris Landing, Tennessee where I saw my first Romagnola cattle.

My reaction then, and my opinion now is that this is a breed of cattle made for today's market. They have the long body, the distinct muscling, the size and scale to produce Choice and Number One feeder cattle out of just about any herd of native cows I've ever seen. And at a time when every cattleman I know is scrambling for extra dollars when he sells his calves, this is terribly important.

I would like you to know that in the interim, I have proven my opinion about these cattle. I got so excited about them that I attended the Houston Romagnola show and sale in 1998, where my wife Lou Eda, a cattleperson in her own right, and I got to see super Romagnolas from all over the country.

During the sale, we got so excited that some of the yearling bulls were not bringing near what they should have, that we just rared back and bid on some of them. Damned if we didn't end up buying two for what we considered modest prices.

It was only after the excitement of the moment wore off that we realized we didn't have any place to put them. Lou Eda has quite a bit of country here in Karnes County, but all of it is leased. So here we had these two bulls, good ones, one from California and the other from Oklahoma, and no home for them.

We ended up with a short term lease on a little patch of ground near the ranch where we live, to be paid for by letting the owner breed four cows to these young bulls. Then, one of the men that leases our home place saw them, and after some little discussion, we leased them to him for our pick of three calves out of his 50 cows.

Admittedly, this was sort of a desperation move, so we could have a home for the bulls, but it turned out pretty well for all concerned. We were able to keep an eye on the progress of the bulls, and were able to see the first calves as they began to drop.

But let me tell you what, this fellow's cows were not what you'd call a super herd. They were, in fact, kind of a group of auction market specials, just plain South Texas cows. Up to that time, he'd been using whatever bulls came along, and his calves just weren't anything to brag about.

He was a little nervous using bulls with such large frames on his herd, and I could tell he was expecting all kinds of calving problems, because he was in the pastures morning and evening when the time came for calves to start dropping.

The young bulls thrived. Both of them are weighing close to a ton now, and they haven't been pampered. When you see the herd together, there is no doubt in your mind which ones are the bulls, because those two bulls tower over the cows like a couple of switch engines in a used car lot.

When the calves started falling, the owner of the cows came by the house to report his disappointment. All of them were little things, born weighing 60 to 70 pounds and long bodied. "Kind of scrawny, really," was his description. And he was right. When the calves hit the ground, they weren't much to look at, little and kind of a red color. He was disappointed in their appearance, but he didn't have a single problem in calving.

Then, about when the calves reached three or four weeks of age, they muscled up like you'd put a tube in them and had blown them up. They shed the red color and most of them turned white. The rest were a lighter shade of brown or red than their mothers. They have black noses and hooves and black pigment around the eyes. And man, did they come on.

Most of these crossbred cows milk fairly well, and those calves really turned the crank. Some of the bull calves weighed more than 500 pounds at five months of age. They are long and straight, big framed, with well defined muscling, and the owner of the cows has been amazed. He never had calves that grew like these.

He is so excited that I've about got him convinced that we should put a pen of them together for the ranch to rail program so we can see what they'll do on feed and in the packing plant.

He's talking about buying the bulls from us, but I think we are going to want to lease them to him one more year. We'll see.

Now, if that herd of cows had been one of those production tested F1 herds or a good solid herd of Brangus cows, I wouldn't have been surprised at the quality of the calves. You'd expect pretty good babies out of mothers like that. But to see calves of this quality out of this set of cows is truly amazing.

The renter is talking about saving some of the heifers, and I'm trying to discourage that. Those heifers are just super looking feeder heifers, and all of them should go with their steer mates. As most of you know if you read this column regularly, I don't believe in saving heifers. It costs too much to get them into production, and the practice is a money loser, especially when you have heifers like the ones by these Romagnola bulls that will bring top feeder prices anywhere.

As for the Romagnola bulls in a commercial program, I can't recommend them highly enough. They are every bit as good as I thought they'd be. Maybe better.
 
MikeC":133b5ikt said:
A FIRST HAND LOOK AT ROMAGNOLA BULLS

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I'm waiting to hear how well the graded before I jump on the bandwagon

dun
 

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