highgrit
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Rental properties and the blacks. If you don't own property, and or you don't pay taxes you should not be able to vote.
Or receive gvt assistance.highgrit":gv5b623o said:Rental properties and the blacks. If you don't own property, and or you don't pay taxes you should not be able to vote.
I know that high tax rates are posed as some kind of poster child for businesses but most businesses are pretty good at reducing their tax liabilities to minor amounts. I think location vis-a-vis markets and skilled labor are greater concerns than taxes.NC Liz 2":3sehias5 said:This movement just might be the second coming we all have been praying for.
By that I mean, companies moving from high tax areas just might be what it takes for liberal minded voters to understand " tax and spend " politics is not the answer.
Liz
You might think that, but I'd say you'd be wrong.greybeard":1o5woae0 said:What is the common denominator?
HOSS":1txeosyq said:The only thing I worry about is that these northern companies move down and bring some of their northern employees and suppliers with them who in turn bring their liberal way of thinking and they try to turn the conservative south into the state that they just left. Sort of like the illegal aliens want to turn the US into the very corrupt Mexico that the fled. Other than that I hope they hire mostly local folks.
boondocks":3f9irq91 said:First, other sources note that the new Remington plant is an expansion and will not take away from the plant in Ilion NY--which is literally down the road from me, and I know many people who work there.
Second, to those of you afraid that Remington may bring darn Yankees with their crazy liberal ideas down your way: please be advised that this is a very rural/small town farming area. Very hardscrabble, and quite Republican, I might add, FWIW. Lots of hunting, ATVing...most of you (y'all?) would feel quite at home up here. Well, other than the subzero temps. And you'd have to learn snowmobiling.
Third: When did it become a conservative value to take up for a huge bunch of crazy rich guys over a fellow working man? Remington is not your grandpa's (or greatgrandma's) gun manufacturer. It's now owned by Cerberus, a New York City-based private equity firm whose founder has a net worth (per Forbes) of 1 billion. How much is he gonna pay the workers at that new plant? And what local and state "incentives" (read: bribes paid with taxpayer money) were given in order to entice His Nibs to locate his plant in Alabama?
I for one am tired of the corporate welfare. Thanks to "free trade", we've lost so much American manufacturing that the little bit that's left, we all fight over the scraps, while the robber barons eat caviar. Worse yet, we turn on each other, dividing into "red" and "blue" states.
These constant plant relocations/closings/reopenings are just a race to the bottom. Think we're about there... They won't pay a living wage, so the rest of the taxpayers have to also kick in and subsidize many of these great new jobs: on the front end, with tax abatements, etc.; on the middle end, with health care and other help, since the jobs often don't come with it now; and on the back end, when they pack up and leave, and leave behind a rusting plant and toxic waste. But that's "Capitalism", so we applaud it, right?
boondocks":1op9i1dz said:First, other sources note that the new Remington plant is an expansion and will not take away from the plant in Ilion NY--which is literally down the road from me, and I know many people who work there.
Second, to those of you afraid that Remington may bring darn Yankees with their crazy liberal ideas down your way: please be advised that this is a very rural/small town farming area. Very hardscrabble, and quite Republican, I might add, FWIW. Lots of hunting, ATVing...most of you (y'all?) would feel quite at home up here. Well, other than the subzero temps. And you'd have to learn snowmobiling.
Third: When did it become a conservative value to take up for a huge bunch of crazy rich guys over a fellow working man? Remington is not your grandpa's (or greatgrandma's) gun manufacturer. It's now owned by Cerberus, a New York City-based private equity firm whose founder has a net worth (per Forbes) of 1 billion. How much is he gonna pay the workers at that new plant? And what local and state "incentives" (read: bribes paid with taxpayer money) were given in order to entice His Nibs to locate his plant in Alabama?
I for one am tired of the corporate welfare. Thanks to "free trade", we've lost so much American manufacturing that the little bit that's left, we all fight over the scraps, while the robber barons eat caviar. Worse yet, we turn on each other, dividing into "red" and "blue" states.
These constant plant relocations/closings/reopenings are just a race to the bottom. Think we're about there... They won't pay a living wage, so the rest of the taxpayers have to also kick in and subsidize many of these great new jobs: on the front end, with tax abatements, etc.; on the middle end, with health care and other help, since the jobs often don't come with it now; and on the back end, when they pack up and leave, and leave behind a rusting plant and toxic waste. But that's "Capitalism", so we applaud it, right?
boondocks":epfrbhvk said:First, other sources note that the new Remington plant is an expansion and will not take away from the plant in Ilion NY--which is literally down the road from me, and I know many people who work there.
Second, to those of you afraid that Remington may bring darn Yankees with their crazy liberal ideas down your way: please be advised that this is a very rural/small town farming area. Very hardscrabble, and quite Republican, I might add, FWIW. Lots of hunting, ATVing...most of you (y'all?) would feel quite at home up here. Well, other than the subzero temps. And you'd have to learn snowmobiling.
Third: When did it become a conservative value to take up for a huge bunch of crazy rich guys over a fellow working man? Remington is not your grandpa's (or greatgrandma's) gun manufacturer. It's now owned by Cerberus, a New York City-based private equity firm whose founder has a net worth (per Forbes) of 1 billion. How much is he gonna pay the workers at that new plant? And what local and state "incentives" (read: bribes paid with taxpayer money) were given in order to entice His Nibs to locate his plant in Alabama?
I for one am tired of the corporate welfare. Thanks to "free trade", we've lost so much American manufacturing that the little bit that's left, we all fight over the scraps, while the robber barons eat caviar. Worse yet, we turn on each other, dividing into "red" and "blue" states.
These constant plant relocations/closings/reopenings are just a race to the bottom. Think we're about there... They won't pay a living wage, so the rest of the taxpayers have to also kick in and subsidize many of these great new jobs: on the front end, with tax abatements, etc.; on the middle end, with health care and other help, since the jobs often don't come with it now; and on the back end, when they pack up and leave, and leave behind a rusting plant and toxic waste. But that's "Capitalism", so we applaud it, right?
Caustic Burno":3vhgpfxl said:Ah fitz not true I seen how my northern union brothers rode our backs like a rented mule..
Come contract time national would pull us out in Texas City while my Whiting, Mandin, Yorktown and Salt Lake brothers kept working with a me to clause. We fought the fight and my northern brother kept working and getting the benefits we fought for.
The majority of the benefits won by the OCAW were off the back's of men in Port Arthur and Texas City.
We averaged walking every 3 years, the companies knew our northern brethren didn't have the fight in them as well as the national .
In 1980 we were out 5 1/2 months supposed to be nation wide Whiting went back in after 2 1/2 months leaving us to keep fighting.
We where out in August 74 by ourself again until January and I can go on. We were being hauled to jail and walking while my northern brother enjoyed the good life. I have had US Marshals show up to my house at 2 am to arrest me because I wouldn't pull the picket line down on the docks in 1980. The whole time we were fighting for sick leave, vacation, funeral leave, dental benefits again I could go on they were making more an hour than us. I have seen Solidarity up close and personal as long the Union Bosses were making their money off the dues they didn't care who they stepped on. Funny how they kept drawing a salary and benefits while I was carrying a picket sign.
The 25 watt bulb came on after a while I know I am slow why should I keep fighting for someone that didn't the backbone to fight for themselves. I have sat on both side of the negotiation table as a Union Steward and as management.
The biggest enemy of the union is the union. The trades absolutely struck themselves out of business down here.
Carpenters would be mad today and strike next week it would be the machinist and so on. The company fixed that and hired their own proprietary workforce until they died.