Rambling

[Alice]

This heat must be affecting folks.

Two of my electricians(I won't give the company name for obvious reasons), just tied up on my job-site.
First guy is diggin a trench, other guy jumps outta the truck and proceeds to open can-o-whoop....
Haven't found out the reason behind it. Cops came and hauled instigator away.

This has no bearing on this thread, but thought I would give ya'll something else to think about.

Well, yes, as a matter of fact, it would give someone something to think about...and when you find out what it was about, let us know! It may just be the heat...and it may be something particularly salacious. 8)

Alice

 

[msscamp]

The South DID NOT want overthrow the government. Therefore it was not a civil war like our children are taught in schools.

Ok, I'll bite - just exactly what did the South think the North would do when they fired on Fort Sumter - a northern held fort located in the south? Would that not clearly be a declaration of war on the part of the south against the north? Therefore, it WAS a civil war just like our children are taught in schools.

Interesting! Sounds like the North invaded. I mean if you put a blockade around a country in an attempt to hinder their trade or place sanctions - is this not an act of war? Would that country not have the right to defend itself?

I think you need to re-read your history. Fort Sumter was fired on in April 1861, thus effectively starting the Civil War, but the blockades were not put in place until July (I believe) 1861.

South Carolina debated seccession for 8 years. Until it came to a vote. "We the People" voted and chose to secede. This was nothing new. The idea of state's rights was strong throughout our country. The New England States were the first to consider seccession during the Hartford Convention. They were against the governments anti-trade policies with England.

Interesting that it wasn't put up for a vote until Lincoln - a known opponent to slavery - was elected.



Again, the South had no intentions of overthrowing the federal government - they voted and withdrew from the United States and formed and ratified their own constitution - which is not a Civil War.

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

Civil War: noun; 1) A war between factions or regions of the same country. 2) The war between the Union and he Confederacy from 1861 to 1865.

From the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

Main Entry: civil war
Function: noun
: a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country

It would appear you are the only one who believes that the intent to overthrow an existing government is a part of the definition of 'Civil War'.

 

[Alice]

The South DID NOT want overthrow the government. Therefore it was not a civil war like our children are taught in schools.

Ok, I'll bite - just exactly what did the South think the North would do when they fired on Fort Sumter - a northern held fort located in the south? Would that not clearly be a declaration of war on the part of the south against the north? Therefore, it WAS a civil war just like our children are taught in schools.

Interesting! Sounds like the North invaded. I mean if you put a blockade around a country in an attempt to hinder their trade or place sanctions - is this not an act of war? Would that country not have the right to defend itself?

I think you need to re-read your history. Fort Sumter was fired on in April 1861, thus effectively starting the Civil War, but the blockades were not put in place until July (I believe) 1861.

South Carolina debated seccession for 8 years. Until it came to a vote. "We the People" voted and chose to secede. This was nothing new. The idea of state's rights was strong throughout our country. The New England States were the first to consider seccession during the Hartford Convention. They were against the governments anti-trade policies with England.

Interesting that it wasn't put up for a vote until Lincoln - a known opponent to slavery - was elected.



Again, the South had no intentions of overthrowing the federal government - they voted and withdrew from the United States and formed and ratified their own constitution - which is not a Civil War.

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

Civil War: noun; 1) A war between factions or regions of the same country. 2) The war between the Union and he Confederacy from 1861 to 1865.

From the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

Main Entry: civil war
Function: noun
: a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country

It would appear you are the only one who believes that the intent to overthrow an existing government is a part of the definition of 'Civil War'.

:nod: and amen!