mnmtranching":kjvwsmtn said:Both heifers will work just fine for replacements. How the heck did you get a black calf from 1/2 char 1/2 Angus. I've had 100's of the F-1 cross and never seen it. Sometimes from the F-1 cow bred black we get a black calf.
oxymoron? - how do you ever get a black 100% char calf?billy":20loogc4 said:To answer your question about getting a black charolais angus cross.
You need to get a registered/papered purebred Homozygous Black charolais bull. You can only get them in Canada right now but youll see them quickly in the states Three trees Ranch out of Georgia has some they bought from Canada and I have heard of some females going into Alabama also. Grace farms out of missouri has a few purebred black charolais out of Canada as well as some people down by Kansas. It will be the way to go pretty soon since the angus cross commercial breeders want to add frame and size to there commercial heard. The more pounds they can put on there calves = more$ in there pocket with still retaining the black hide. Talked to one breeder in Canada who uses these black bulls and he said he would not go back to the angus sires because he gets more weaning weight on his calves out of the black charolais bulls and in his words "they still sell calves by the pound". He also followed some of his calves through the feedlots and said ALL of the angus /black char calves were sold to the packers and went AAA and choice angus beef because they fit the criteria and had black hides which I found quite interesting.
*Cowgirl*":rxb1gn26 said:oxymoron? - how do you ever get a black 100% char calf?billy":rxb1gn26 said:To answer your question about getting a black charolais angus cross.
You need to get a registered/papered purebred Homozygous Black charolais bull. You can only get them in Canada right now but youll see them quickly in the states Three trees Ranch out of Georgia has some they bought from Canada and I have heard of some females going into Alabama also. Grace farms out of missouri has a few purebred black charolais out of Canada as well as some people down by Kansas. It will be the way to go pretty soon since the angus cross commercial breeders want to add frame and size to there commercial heard. The more pounds they can put on there calves = more$ in there pocket with still retaining the black hide. Talked to one breeder in Canada who uses these black bulls and he said he would not go back to the angus sires because he gets more weaning weight on his calves out of the black charolais bulls and in his words "they still sell calves by the pound". He also followed some of his calves through the feedlots and said ALL of the angus /black char calves were sold to the packers and went AAA and choice angus beef because they fit the criteria and had black hides which I found quite interesting.
DOC HARRIS":3n3zjc69 said:#1 - Yes
#2 - No. She has sloping rump which will NOT improve with age, fine boned, "breedy head", reasonably good top line for a calf, sickle hocked. Depending to great extent on her dam, she probably will not be too successful with "Feed Efficiency" testing results. How successful is her dam in the "Great Breeding Cow" classification department? Successful is as Successful DOES!
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The second heifer lack to balance and substance I want. I don't see the slight slope she has from hooks to pins as a problem, although her structure isn't perfect her sickle hockedness is still well within the accepted limitsNot the way that I see this second heifer! The slope is more than slight, the sickle hockedness is NOT within MY accepted limits. In analyzing potential replacements, I am not going to select an individual who has all the ear-marks of breaking down after two or three calves, and lacks beefiness to the point where I am going to have to select a bull to correct a flaw that should not have been there in the first place.
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