The both of you have hit the nail on the head about the three year old. He has never had anything to eat until about a week ago when I caught him and brought him home to put some weight on him. I bought him as a yearling where he was weaned on soyhuls and chicken litter then fed chicken litter and grass until I got him. Since I have had him he has been on cows for two winters and a summer. All he has had to eat was grass or hay. So you are right he has never had any rump on him but he has not been fed. I need to put about 200 pounds on him before November when he goes to a sale.
His Angus number is 14583923 so you can look him up if you like. The best thing about this bull is his calves and his EPD's . I am weaning some of his calves, I like em, and they have rumps. I posted some pics last week.