Phenotyping feed conversion...pictures anyone?

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cmf1, This is what Rambler looked like at 14 months, straight off the truck from his breeder!
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We purchased him for his low Birth EBV (EPD to you!) +1.6 to breed average of +2.8, and also for his carcase and 600/mature EBVs which are slightly above breed average. I know that he comes from a herd that perform entirely on grass and concentrate on low Birth EBV's whereas we have some cows that have BW EBV's that are a bit high, though we don't have much in the way of calving problems, maybe one assist per year.

Have you posted a pic of your Grey bull? Has he got EPD's?
 
BRG,

Those are some very fine cows. I Love that they look so go on grass alone. Red Angus just shine like a new penny when they are in good condition.

Waihou,

Thanks for sharing some more pictures of your Murray Grays. They are some great cattle. I really like the silver cow. I am starting to see what I have been looking for in the pictures you and BRG are posting. I wish I could get my pictures up. Are most MG a bit on the hairy side or do they slick up in the warmer weather?
 
Some pictures of cattle that do well in harsh dry conditions, producing a well marbled, tender beef.
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As a purebred, they have an exeptional feed conversion in feedlots, but are inclined to grow more slowly than British breeds, F1 progeny however, are hard to equal as feeders.
The traditional Hereford and Angus here on the British estate are of a different phenotype, for the temprate climate.

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I will get some better pictures out on the pasture this week.
 
Whilst it is interesting to see another range of phenotypes which are performing in a different climate,I think what we are trying to illustrate is what does an animal have to look like to be able to perform efficiently on grass only. This does include grass in hay, baleage or silage form in winter, but not grain, lucerne, compound feed of any form in any season, or finishing on specially grown cereal type crops!

I believe that NZ is one of the few climates and countries where it is possible to both breed and fatten beef entirely on grass all year round. Whilst there are many European breeds like Simmentals and Charolais used as terminal sires, the majority of the breeding cows are British breeds like Angus, Hereford and South Devon and a few Murray Greys and various crosses, some with the dairy industry Holsteins and Jerseys as the popular black/white face cow which is the result of Hereford over Holstein.

Not only are the commercial breeding cows outside all year round, many up on fairly hard hill country areas with little supplemntary winter feed apart from hay, but their offspring, either by a European terminal or British breed sire their calves are often fattened on lower quality land as well. They are sold as weaners to be finished for the Local Trade Beef (for NZ consumption) before their second winter 18-20months, or run through to three year olds and heavier weights which are often the European sired animals which take longer to mature and are more lean. Because the home market is quite small, Population slightly over 4 million, then the outlet for domestic consumption is quite a bit less than for the export market which tend to be from the larger framed, later maturing types.

Interestingly there is no colour bias here. There may even be a slight bias against black, in case it has too much Jersey in it! Most finishers will sell direct to a Processing works, so buyers are not interested in what colour hide, only how heavy and how well they will kill out.
Weaner (7 to 9 month) cattle are sold for finishing, based on breed, rather than colour and their ability to suit the end market eg white faced and British bred for the 20 month finishing weights 280 to 320kgs carcase weights (617 to 705lbs) and the European crosses for the heavier 3 year old market. There are probably only a couple of feed lots that specialise in beef for export markets in Korea and Japan.

Here is an illusration of a typical MG from birth to processing age. She is the 2007 calf from the silver cow pictured in my earlier post. Showed a lot of promise and was shown as a yearling a couple of times (no grain!) but failed to get in calf in the allotted time so was sent direct to the processing works, actually as an entry in a nationwide contents called Steak of Origin. Bascially a contest to find tender steak-she wasn't in the top 100, despite having 8/8 GeneSTARs for tenderness and 2/8 for marbling and 5/8 for Feed efficiency-but she did it all on grass! She went 291.5kgs (642lbs) carcase weight on 17 March 09, age 19 months and was 532kgs live (1173lbs) Her full sister is calving for the third time this season.

Birth 20 Aug 07 weight 45kgs 99lbs
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About 5 months old
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16 months
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Yes, she is wearing a halter, prior to going to the local show, but not in calf, she was turned into money 2 months later!
 
Waihou,
I am glad you posted so much information about your operation. You are correct ,as I understand it, that you have one of the few climates that can grass feed all year around. Where I am in the southern USA I have to feed hay ,as the only food source, several months of the year. Although we take good care of our pastures (hay & grazing), having soil samples tested, so we can fertilize properly . Our hay (forage) reports show us if we need to supply our cattle with added protein through the winter. It would take alot of land and very few cattle for me to be able to graze all year long.
Interesting that you can keep your cattle until they are three year olds. Here it wouldn't grade prime at that age. But it also has to be on the fatty side with alot of marble too. Not, that I agree. The prime grade beef here has way to much fat for me. I do grain finish my beef for two months before slaughter,however they are on a grass/hay diet until then. I also like to give a very small portion(in two buckets) of grain daily to the whole herd just to keep them coming to me.
When I went to Ireland I noticed that is wasn't any greener than my home in Tennessee during the spring/summer but to have that temprate climate all year around would be great. Boy, do I wish color of cattle didn't matter here!
 
Great Pictures everyone.
I posted on here on Friday, but it isn't there ???
Anyway, Waihou I LOVE your first posted bull. Absoluetely ideal for any kind of operation.
BRG - of course - awesome cows.
Way back when, I was asked about water in our pastures. We only have 1 water source and it's in the lot at the barn. Our land is about 1/2 mile deep, so cattle have to travel that. All the paddocks have alleyway to the water and they have free access. Not what is recommended, but works great for us. Also, makes it really really easy to catch cattle as we need to.
We make sure there is lots of water "space" available because they come in all together when in the furthest paddocks. They do spend "lounging" time in the lot during the hot days (haha - as if we have hot days compared to lots of you!!) - which is fine, they have plenty of eating time in morning & evenings & during night - not that they spend the whole day in the lot.
 
jeanne,

How big is your barn lot with the waterer? And do you have to "clean" that area out ever so often do to manure similiar to around a hay ring?
 
Hmmm - good question. Barnlot is probably about 120 x 150'. Main 6-hole Mirafount waterer is pretty much in the center, with a dividing fence going over the top & ending right at the edge of the waterer. That way I can divide the lot & have cattle from another paddock water out of the same waterer. In the summer, we take the tops (with the holes) off the waterer. Love that feature. Than we also have a 150 gal water tank with a Hi-flow float on it. And, we also set up a 1500 gal water tank that cyphens to another tank with a Hi-flow float on it. During the winter, the winter lots have a small creek that runs constant, but 1 group still waters out of the 6-hole waterer. The other tanks are shut down in the winter.
Yes, in spring, we push any excess up into a pile at the back of the lot. We periodically sell (or give away sometimes) loads of dirt. During the summer, the cattle LOVE to lay on top of the pile.
During the summer, we never have to "clean" the lot. Just kinda dries up & turns to dirt (they are VERY loose most of the time.)
 
Thanks for the info. I really like that plan. I wished I had thought it out when we put in three automatic waterers. My three water four pastures at a time but had we the knowledge we could have built alleyways and maximized those waterers. Oh well, live and learn. I guess that lot is where you kept your minerals also? We have take the balls out of the waters before but I try to keep the unit all together because they grow alge and mosquitos in the summer without them.
 
Yes, we have our 50 gallon drum mineral feeders in this lot, but I also have one in each main paddock.
The calves drink soooo much better in an open waterer. We just add clorox periodically. Been a great system for us.
 

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