Not really what i had in mind, i'm sure those work good, but they wanted $350.00 for one of those and you still have to have a hay ring. I was thinking about one of those that are slanted in and force cows to reach in and eat and supposedly the hay that falls out falls back in the feeder instead of on the ground outside the feeder like most hay rings do. I looked at one today that really looked good and was made out of aluminum, which you would think is good because rusting and rotting is what gets most of my rings.