HDRider
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Nice looking freight train you got there. Real nice.
Used calving jack for both. The second heifer would have had some problems with such wide calf. Kept very close eye on both heifers and once saw them calving waited for a bit and then helped. It's better that heifers would calve faster. The first calf is tall, but slim, not much of meat. However the 2nd calf is shorter, but much wider and thicker.frieghttrain":395q0mw7 said:Those calves look very thick and meaty. Unassisted?
She's 33 months old, so near 3 years.MarkH":14hdmweu said:Lithuanian Farmer,
Is the heifer that calved with the 106 LB calf now 3 years old?
Are you a Member of the Lithuanian Organic Beef Association?
Have you or any other cattlemen in Lithuania considered using calving ease Limousin or red Charolais bulls from North America?
Are you considering using Aubrac bulls since they were promoted in Lithuania?
Mark
We've no problems with maternity or growth, and can say that cows are easy calving. If calf is big it doesn't mean that it's a hard calving. I could bet that most cows with full American genetics couldn't handle the same size calves without problems as the European ones. One friend had a Char calf born at 220lbs weight, cow calved naturally and stood up after a couple minutes. The average full French Char bull calf is born at ~110-125lbs, but often can be much bigger. If we'll see that we need to improve calving ease in the herd will use Salers bull to get very easy calving replacements.MarkH":3gg7v260 said:I would like to see you improve calving ease,maternal traits, and growth. You can do this by using North American genetics in both the Charolais and Limousin breeds. From progeny testing done in Norway and Sweden between French and North American bulls the French bulls were trounced in the areas of calving ease, maternal traits, and growth. The french breeds lead in muscle per unit body weight and reducing fat content in the meat (if that is what you want). Across the Baltic may be your source of North American genetics.
I would eventually like to see you be able to breed your heifers as long yearlings instead of waiting until they are over 28 months old. This will make your cows more productive over their lifespans.
Here is an example: http://www.semexusa.com/beef/i?lang=en& ... 2=MC326558 and another: http://www.ltranch.com/sires/charolais/ ... 32Pld.html
Not using Irish AI bulls at the moment. Will use when will have purebred cattle. The limousine bull we've now has irish and french genetics. Don't have any dairy cows, the highest %of dairy in some cows are 50%.MarkH":12ohf7kn said:I took a look at Fiston and think he is a worthy bull to use on your dairy cows to get a more beefy animal and replacements. He appears almost to be a culard type. One thing that sticks out in my mind is the warning not to use him on muscular cows. I also like the fact you are using Irish bulls; I think they are better than the UK ones. Here is one from Dovea you might like: http://www.doveagenetics.ie/bivouac-ch2218.html
The idea for using North American genetics is not for the average cow. It would merely be to calve out young heifers ( get a calf earlier) or breed to cows that may have too much muscle. Here is a list of bulls the Swedes and Norwegians have imported:http://charolaisbanner.com/newcbsite/international-genetics/
Can you grade up to purebred status in Lithuania?
I am wondering also if you have considered using Belgian Blue or Parathenaise due to the emphasis you have on muscle.
I also herd that Lithuania exported some beef to the U. S. do you know anything about this?
I also gather you are a student what are you studying?