It cant be acorns!!!!!!

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remeber that bull i told you about well he aint died yet. i still say it aint acorns cause them thar vets told us yesterday that he had liver, kidney, AND muscle damage and still say its acorns. could it be???
Millerlite :cboy:
 
cowboyFFA_09":sa2q2hdd said:
remeber that bull i told you about well he aint died yet. i still say it aint acorns cause them thar vets told us yesterday that he had liver, kidney, AND muscle damage and still say its acorns. could it be???
Millerlite :cboy:

Yep just depends how many he got into.
 
Acorn/Oak Toxicity
During periods of decreased forage availability, cattle may seek out acorns as a food source. Acorns can be an important part of the diet in the fall; however, acorns have the potential to cause fatal poisoning. When forage is low, cattle seek out acorns as food. Ingestion of too many acorns can lead to poisoning. The goal of this article is to provide some basic facts on acorn poisoning and alert farmers to be aware of a potential problem.

Why are acorns poisonous?
Acorns contain a substance called gallotannin. In the rumen, gallotannin is metabolized to gallic acid and tannic acid. Tannic acid causes ulceration of the mouth, esophagus, and gastrointestinal tract. Tannic acid is especially toxic to the renal tubules, and renal failure tends to be the hallmark of this disease. In the fall, this substance concentrates in acorns and increases the risk of animal poisoning when acorns are ingested.

What cattle are at risk?
The poison in acorns (tannins) concentrates in milk; therefore, fast-growing calves (400-700 lb calves) on heavy-milking dams will be the first animals to show signs. Older cattle will rarely show signs of oak toxicity.

What are the signs?
In the early stages, constipation is followed by a decreased appetite. If the cattle are removed from the acorn area, most will recover in two to three days. Continued exposure leads to a black (GI ulceration), watery diarrhea, which is often foul smelling and may contain blood. Blood may be draining from the nose at this point. Despite intervention, these calves progress to show severe depression, straining to urinate and defecate; with marked edema in the abdomen and extremities. The prognosis for these calves is grave.

These signs mimic the Type 2 BVD. Remember Type 2 BVD generally presents with very high fevers. Acorn toxicity will have near normal temperatures in most cases. If pregnant animals ingest acorns, birth defects can occur.

What is the treatment?
There is no specific antidote for this toxin. Good nursing care is the only therapy for acorn toxicity.

This care should include:

a. Fluid and electrolyte replacement to keep the kidney operating. Once urination stops, the kidney has stopped and life will stop fairly soon.

b. broad-spectrum antibiotics to fight off secondary infections from the ulcers. Don't use gentamicin or other drugs that are metabolized through the kidney.

c. mineral oil. Mineral oil will provide some laxative effect and a single dose may be helpful. Little or no toxin is absorbed into the mineral oil and repeated doses will be ineffective.

Is an animal with acorn toxicity safe for human ingestion?
Generally, before a decision is made to butcher an animal, kidney failure and uremia have set in. Uremic animals should not be considered for human consumption.

Is there any prevention?
Supplementation with calcium hydroxide (hydrated lime) immediately before exposure has been effective in mitigating signs of acorn toxicity. Dose - 0.9 kg/head/day of 10% hydrated lime. The obvious prevention is to fence off oak trees or remove cattle from pastures that contain acorns.

Acorn poisoning is a preventable disease if simple precautions are followed. This fall many states have experienced hot, dry conditions that may indirectly predispose animals to acorn toxicity. Watch your pastures and cattle carefully and keep your herds profitable.
 
cowboyFFA_09":jcovdkrt said:
but him seeking the acorns when he has enough grass to eat dont fit. well anyway ill tell you if he dies and thanks for the info Caustic.
Millerlite :cboy:

Trying to put an understanding on the behavior of cattle doesn't fit. By your first post you were convinved the vets were wrong and that it wasn't acorns? Oh and BTW whats the millerlite thing about? :help:
 
cowboyFFA_09":2eq4a8eo said:
but him seeking the acorns when he has enough grass to eat dont fit. well anyway ill tell you if he dies and thanks for the info Caustic.
Millerlite :cboy:

You don't understand they like acorns and will starve to death eating them with plenty of grass.
 
Caustic Burno":21wo405i said:
cowboyFFA_09":21wo405i said:
but him seeking the acorns when he has enough grass to eat dont fit. well anyway ill tell you if he dies and thanks for the info Caustic.
Millerlite :cboy:

You don't understand they like acorns and will starve to death eating them with plenty of grass.

Just like a horse eating whole corn, but a lot quicker!
 
SPRINGER FARMS MURRAY GRE":18s0xg1l said:
Its amazing how the deer can get fat on them...and they are both ruminant animals. :?: :shock: :cboy:

Deer are browsers cattle are grazers, both have rumens but they are set up to handle differant types of material.
 
Great post by Caustic on the Tannic acid poisoning by acorns. Cattle love acorns and will eat them over any other thing. If you have plenty of grass they will eat enough of it to cushion the acorns which does 2 things, it dilutes the tannic acid and cushions the acorns in the stomach. The main problem we have in our area with acorns if when there isnt enough grass and people arent feeding hay and the acorns build up and the sharp points cut the stomach lining and infections goes throughout the organs and the body and digestion stops. I have cut open cattle that died of this acorn poisoning and the stomach is packed full of dry, undigested acorns and there is infection and stink everywhere. That is an ugly sight. The acorn danger is generally over here after a few nights below 10 degrees, to freeze and weaken the hard shells. I just turned into a 100 acre pasture that has about half timber 10 days ago. There is a world of fescue, but the cows are rooting in the timber every day for those acorns. It is the nature of the beast.
 

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