KNERSIE":glo27uw5 said:3waycross":glo27uw5 said:I agree also however if you are a seedstock producer it still begs the question. What to do for a cleanup bull? To me, if you are not investing in the best genetics you can afford there also you are losing ground on the rest of the herd that does not take to the AI.
If you want to sell seedstock and cannot produce a bull good enough for own use you'll be better off not to sell those that you have produced.
KNERSIE":3uzihtfl said:WHat was his SC?
Northern Rancher":3uv2ut2y said:I'd have to ask my nephew what he measured. Change in a bull battery just for the sake of change isn't always good-I like to find groups of half brothers to buy for customers. We have a group of 165 F1 baldies that the same group of 5 half brothers will stay with throughout their production cycle-when the ranch I'm working with goes to market the 3/4 AN/1/4 HH heifers off them we can predict to some extent what kind of cows they'll make. Some of the better herds I buy bulls from have gone back to using their own bulls A'I as the mainstream industry is not meeting their needs. Most good herds are more worried about taking a step back than making a giant leap forward. I think at times we confuse 'best' with 'most popular'-I used to shudder when a customer would want to know what the 'hot' bull was to breed his sale heifers too. Commercial men and astute purebred breeders use the heck out of good cattle-the rest chase rainbows to some extent.
SRBeef":1lpx7t26 said:Maybe you meant to choose ONE of 5 or 6 bulls?
I would think there is some benefit to more uniformity especially in a herd of 30 cows. Either through use of one bull or one AI sire. Breeding 30 cows to 5 or 6 different bulls aren't you likely to end up with a number of different types and sizes of calves? A uniform calf crop and herd, along the lines of what you are working towards, seems like it is better than a mix of different types.
Jim
KNERSIE":157xs0gt said:...Its usually hopeless to try and explain to him that using a half brother or even further away from his previous bull on a completely unrelated set of cows is going to do more harm than good...
SRBeef":3tujy0ws said:KNERSIE":3tujy0ws said:...Its usually hopeless to try and explain to him that using a half brother or even further away from his previous bull on a completely unrelated set of cows is going to do more harm than good...
Harley, I just dont understand this statement at all but want to. Especially since I am using a half-brother (to my previous bull) bull on a set of unrelated cows! And I'd like to use him on a couple heifers from my last bull. Help please.
Jim
Northern Rancher":2q8tlwdu said:I'm pretty excited about the potential in the breeding program we've designed at this ranch. Were breeding about 750 females this year so have enough numbers to work with.
KNERSIE":24kgo950 said:WHat was his SC?
bigbull338":c24254jb said:from everything ive learned since ive been in beefmasters a 35cm sc on a bull is minium.most breeding age bulls are 38cm to 43cm.