highgrit
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How many cows will a top of the line commercial bull be able to breed. Most of the ones I've seen don't look like they would work very hard. To big and fat or just to muscular.
the vet was always talking bought his semen quality.
KNERSIE":xljkppra said:the vet was always talking bought his semen quality.
He's got a serious set of nuts!
TexasBred":27wm15tp said:Brandonm22":27wm15tp said:Knersie is right. When weaned 550 lb calves were bringing $500 $2000 (or less) was more or less fair for a bull. Now that those same calves are worth almost $800, $3200 seems CHEAP. If you have a registered herd, AI all the cows. Semen is cheap NOW when compared to the TOP bulls at a registered sale. If you are AIing to the top bulls in your breed, you ought to be able to grow your own cleanup bull.
Seems if you didn't anything else you bred to would be breeding "down".
Brandonm22":103ndx5q said:TexasBred":103ndx5q said:Brandonm22":103ndx5q said:Knersie is right. When weaned 550 lb calves were bringing $500 $2000 (or less) was more or less fair for a bull. Now that those same calves are worth almost $800, $3200 seems CHEAP. If you have a registered herd, AI all the cows. Semen is cheap NOW when compared to the TOP bulls at a registered sale. If you are AIing to the top bulls in your breed, you ought to be able to grow your own cleanup bull.
Seems if you didn't anything else you bred to would be breeding "down".
I don't know that it would be necessarily "breeding down" but if you have 30 registered cows you can AI them to 5 or 6 of the most heavily promoted sires in their breed for ~$55 to $43 per calf (ABS Chart pg 109) versus buying an unproven bull near the top end of a bull sale for $4500 for $76.37 per calf. Figuring $500 a year in feed resources and upkeep and keeping the bull for three years then salvaging a $1000 out of him. AI lets you use a bull AFTER he has hundreds of calves on the ground and data reported to the breed association versus gambling on a virgin bull with no calves to evaluate. Also in the registered business you get to ride some on the promotional costs that the bull breeder and the AI stud are putting out there versus promoting your own bull yourself. It just seems a whole lot more cost effective to AI most registered cows given what bull prices are currently bringing.
3waycross":3355ih6q said:I agree also however if you are a seedstock producer it still begs the question. What to do for a cleanup bull? To me, if you are not investing in the best genetics you can afford there also you are losing ground on the rest of the herd that does not take to the AI.
KNERSIE":2tww000d said:3waycross":2tww000d said:I agree also however if you are a seedstock producer it still begs the question. What to do for a cleanup bull? To me, if you are not investing in the best genetics you can afford there also you are losing ground on the rest of the herd that does not take to the AI.
If you want to sell seedstock and cannot produce a bull good enough for own use you'll be better off not to sell those that you have produced.
That Bull is all about the business! Seriously.......that's all you got to say about that Bull?? lolKNERSIE":65xduppe said:the vet was always talking bought his semen quality.
He's got a serious set of nuts!