grants

[jcissell]

What did you mean by that Todd? I must have missed something.

Josh

 

[Wewild]

The whole goverment handout deal wreaks of the same problems associate with drugs.

The problem is with the goverment grants. I believe years ago they granted one that would determine the enviromental impact on bovine gas expulsion. May be an urban legend....

We could take the gov't approach on drugs and educate the people on the problems associated with grants but I think the results would be about the same.

Just my opinion.

 

[9 ER]

Are yall opposed to ALL grants or just the ones that deal with ag/farming/ranching?

 

[Wewild]

Are yall opposed to ALL grants or just the ones that deal with ag/farming/ranching?

I've only got one hard and fast rule when it comes to gov't spending..... the kids, certain handicaps and older folks should have health care. The rest should have to work for their benefits.

 

[Craig-TX]

Are yall opposed to ALL grants or just the ones that deal with ag/farming/ranching?

Loaded question, but I'll bite. I can't think of any government grants I'd be in favor of that benefited an individual's hip pocket instead of the common good of society. It's hard enough to think of grants that supposedly add to the common good. They are some out there but most don't fit that bill. Most, in spite of supposed good intentions, turn out fitting into the first category.

Example: NEA. Those grants are supposed to help society. They end up going to looser pseudo-artists, often perverted, who not only waste our money but also insult our sense of decency.

If somebody wants be an artist, let them compete with real artists and make it in the real world. Same with wannabe ranchers. Or, let them earn a living in some other line of work and do it as a hobby. When the artist/rancher/etc. gets far enough along, and good enough, they will have an enjoyable pastime that puts some money in their pocket.

Craig-TX

 

[9 ER]

Yall already know my opinion "if its available, use it". My question was not meant to be "loaded". Just trying to get a better understanding. There are several points(wasted grant $) that I agree with yall with. But I just cant get upset with the people who take advantage of the gov'ts generosity. We (the govt) help out so many countries, which I think is a waste. Why not throw a bone to some of the people here?

 

[Wewild]

Yall already know my opinion "if its available, use it". My question was not meant to be "loaded". Just trying to get a better understanding. There are several points(wasted grant $) that I agree with yall with. But I just cant get upset with the people who take advantage of the gov'ts generosity. We (the govt) help out so many countries, which I think is a waste. Why not throw a bone to some of the people here?

I don't think this type should be available......Not much on foreign aid except for situation stated before....... and bones are for dogs.....people aren't dogs until they are conditioned to be one.

 

[Craig-TX]

We (the govt) help out so many countries, which I think is a waste.

You won't get an argument out of me on that one!

Why not throw a bone to some of the people here?

I've got nothing against helping people out when they are in need or doing something good. But I prefer to do it myself, in my own way, with my own money. Sure don't want bureaucrats deciding who needs how much of my own money and forcing me to pony up. This country is wallowing in waste and throws more bones than we can even keep track of. What really burns me up is that a lot of the dogs getting the bones tend to bite the hand that feeds them.

Craig-TX

 

[9 ER]

people aren't dogs until they are conditioned to be one.

The only people I can think of that are conditioned to be dogs practice S & M. I hope there isn't any grant money for that :lol:

 

[Wewild]

people aren't dogs until they are conditioned to be one.

The only people I can think of that are conditioned to be dogs practice S & M. I hope there isn't any grant money for that :lol:

All dogs are taken care of by people (their owner) except those that need some other solution (i.e. wild dogs).

Never thought of your option. Things that make you go hmmmmmm......

 

[9 ER]

Craig Wrote

What really burns me up is that a lot of the dogs getting the bones tend to bite the hand that feeds them.

Damn, that was good! I'll even give you an "Amen" on that one.

 

[SF]

If there are grants available, someone is going to take them. Someone is going to get this money. Why not Earl? This money will get spent.

According to that logic Earl could justify robbing banks. Somebody's going to do it. Why not Earl? Or you or me? No harm done, it was going to happen anyway.

Who defines "legitimate agricultural enterprise"? Who are you to say that Dexter cattle are not legitimate?

That's easy. A "legitimate agricultural enterprise" can be defined a couple of different ways. First, it would be an enterprise that was designed to make a profit. And/or, it would be an enterprise where the person hoping for reward is the same person bearing the risk.

Craig-TX

Craig, you're using a lack of logic here. Robbing banks is illegal. I'm not going to continue arguing this topic with you. I will respectfully just disagree with you.

Regarding the profitability of Earl's enterprise. I must have missed it somewhere. I did not see or read his business plan. Don't know what his plan is.

 

[SF]

How is Earl wanting to beat the taxpayer out of grant money?
If there are grants available, someone is going to take them. Someone is going to get this money. Why not Earl? This money will get spent. Our government (operated by people we elected) is not going to return it to the taxpayer, they are going spend it somewhere.

Who defines "legitimate agricultural enterprise"? Who are you to say that Dexter cattle are not legitimate?

SF, Craig did such a great job of answering your questions that I won't even attempt to improve upon it.

Well, except for this one:

Who are you to say that Dexter cattle are not legitimate?

I don't think it's just me, but I could be wrong. Maybe you would like to take a poll of serious cattle producers? Might have to go over to Ranchers to do it, though. Serious cattle producers seem to be getting outnumbered around here.......

And just to keep you from feeling left out, I would also include the MiniToyHobby Herefords in my list of laughable "Breeds" that lack legitimacy. However, it's still a free country. You raise what you want. Earl is sure entitled to raise what she wants. But please don't ask me to pay for it!

Texan,
I don't know how you define "serious cattle producers"? :lol: Too bad we can't all think like you and be just like you :lol:
Not sure how profitable your operation is for you, but I turned about 32% last year on my Miniature (MiniToyHobby) Herefords. I know of a place out in west Texas that raises Miniature Herefords. They have several hundred head of Miniatures. Another one up in Nebraska. I'm sure they are not "serious cattle producers".
We can't all do the same thing there Texan. If we did, there would only be one breed of cattle, and they would all be the same size.
Greg

 

[brokenmouth]

I know of a place out in west Texas that raises Miniature Herefords. They have several hundred head of Miniatures. Another one up in Nebraska.

who and where are these places

 

[SF]

I know of a place out in west Texas that raises Miniature Herefords. They have several hundred head of Miniatures. Another one up in Nebraska.

who and where are these places

Try
http://www.miniature-hereford.com
http://www.kpranch.com
http://www.minihereford.com
http://www.longcreekminiatureherefordfarm.com
http://www.straitside.com
http://www.minaturecattle.com

You are welcome to visit my site at http://www.mini-hereford.com

You should be able to get their contact info off of their websites. Many of them will be at the Star of Texas Livestock in Austin in a couple of weeks for the Miniature Hereford Show.

Greg

 

[Tod Dague]

Yall already know my opinion "if its available, use it". My question was not meant to be "loaded". Just trying to get a better understanding. There are several points(wasted grant $) that I agree with yall with. But I just cant get upset with the people who take advantage of the gov'ts generosity. We (the govt) help out so many countries, which I think is a waste. Why not throw a bone to some of the people here?

It is not the gov'ts money that they are being so generous with. It is the tax payers. I have no problem with us (the tax payers) giving to those who can't provide for themselves but to take my money and give it to someone who is able to provide for themselves just because they want to start a business aggravates me. I'm guessing that if they want to start ranching then they are able to provide for themselves. And I sure don't like to see able bodied people lining up for a hand out.

 

[Sugar Creek]

I don't think they should be available. They are wasteful since it is so easy to spend money someone else has made. Still, when they are available few will turn them down.

With the phase out of the tobacco program, grants are available here for diversification and many are being put to use in cattle operations. It is never fair but we all go for them if we can.

 

[Crowderfarms]

Sugar Creek,
How bout' this Tobacco buyout?Fatter Lawyers, = Farmers Ripped off!

 

[Earl]

I plan on running Dexter cattle, also horses, a couple of goats, sheep and probably chickens.

At first, I was under the impression that you were wanting to beat the taxpayers out of grant money for a legitimate agricultural enterprise? Now it seems like you want a grant or government-backed loan to start up a barnyard petting zoo. What a winner for the old taxpayer!

I have a list of equipment that I will need.

Oh, yeah! Let's be sure you have every little thing you might need to operate!

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I only plan on using the grant money to purchase the :land and cattle. Everything else I will buy myself. :cboy: [/img]

 

[brokenmouth]

I know of a place out in west Texas that raises Miniature Herefords. They have several hundred head of Miniatures. Another one up in Nebraska.

who and where are these places

Try
http://www.miniature-hereford.com
http://www.kpranch.com
http://www.minihereford.com
http://www.longcreekminiatureherefordfarm.com
http://www.straitside.com
http://www.minaturecattle.com

You are welcome to visit my site at http://www.mini-hereford.com

You should be able to get their contact info off of their websites. Many of them will be at the Star of Texas Livestock in Austin in a couple of weeks for the Miniature Hereford Show.

specifically which places have several hundred head of miniature herefords. do they also have mini emus.