ozzyo70
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So we got a new AI tech that handles Genex, our other retired. So for the hand full we're breeding this year we're using High Roller and Top Grade(3/4). Just wondering what sim bulls others like from Genex.
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Fire Sweep Ranch":269u8m3m said:We like Upgrade, and his EPD's are the top. Look at his yearling epd! We really like his calves and his daughters are doing a good job raising calves. I really think he is going tone the next Dream On....
Club King is another we like to use, and really like his calves. We sold a two year old Club King heifer in our state sale with a really nice 30 day old Grandmaster bull calf, she brought $3000. She was worth it, very nice cow with great udder.
We like our Mo Better calves also. He will add some white on the face usually.
ozzyo70":r7ekurh5 said:Fire Sweep Ranch":r7ekurh5 said:We like Upgrade, and his EPD's are the top. Look at his yearling epd! We really like his calves and his daughters are doing a good job raising calves. I really think he is going tone the next Dream On....
Club King is another we like to use, and really like his calves. We sold a two year old Club King heifer in our state sale with a really nice 30 day old Grandmaster bull calf, she brought $3000. She was worth it, very nice cow with great udder.
We like our Mo Better calves also. He will add some white on the face usually.
We looked at Upgrade but since we are using them on our younger ones we went with his son Top Grade who's number I really like as well. I also really want to try Club King in the near future, he is an impressive looking bull. Also Fire Sweep I have really enjoyed the pics you posted recently. Really nice animals.... :tiphat:
So JS, I certainly do not mean this to be a slam on the Simmental breed session, but what is the problem with Legacy bred cattle? There are a bunch of them out there and as with any group, there are some bad apples, but most that I have seen and bred have been great. What makes Legacy cattle so horrible?
And what is the "grandfathered into the PB category"? I have not heard of that, so I am not sure what you are talking about there.
We are newer simmental breeders, but stand behind our stock and cut heavy each year. We look mostly at API since we are breeding replacement females, and I really do not believe that "most simm breeders don't understand the EPD's and what the index really mean", because most of the serious breeders I have learned from push those two numbers the most! They seem to understand it just fine from my experience.
I am sure there are a bunch of breeders, me being one of them, that will disagree with your statement of Grandmaster. Of our limited experience, we have had some fantastic calves out of him. Sure, he is not the cure all, but used on the right cow he can work.
What is wrong with 600U? I have been told he is the best thing to have in a pedigree to make females. I am not as familiar with him, since he is much older like 734. Just because an animal has a sire twice in the pedigree makes it a cull? Why?
Just trying to learn something new. It always amazes me how different people have different opinions about the cattle they breed. I guess, in the end, it matters what you are happy with when it loads onto the trailer to its new home, and you can live with yourself that you sold a fine animal for a fair price!
Oh, and by the way, this statement you made "but the show people don't care as they are looking for the shoe box with legs calf that wont ever make it in a production herd anyway;" is certainty NOT truein all cases. EVERYONE of our heifers we show MUST go home and produce a calf at 2 years, and KEEP producing or they are on the next truck out of here! PERIOD! No exceptions. We are too small to not have them go home and produce.
Till-Hill":mewt8xp0 said:Seen your post JS so I emailed ASA. Today you can still bred a 3/4 to a PB and get a PB so I hope your wrong.........that's my way of getting away from so much Legacy. I think Legacy is a good thing but I also do not like in breeding. But any heifer not related to Shear Force I try to make another heifer. They are just flat out good cows. I got 20 units left and will use few every year. Shear Force on top 50 sires is #1 API bull and still good MWW #s.
Yes if they change it we will have to live with it but under that I probably have no use for Redestined, Substance, Lucky Charm.....but today I got semen on all of them as well as bred at 1/2 bloods so far to PB bulls to have my own bred and raised PB's in another generation.......Was planning on using all them 3/4 blood bulls to lower my inbreeding on the PB cows next few years so I hope it holds for now.