english - spanish translation

[Angus Cowman]

Face the facts, IT IS SIMPLE, when you hire illegels you help your pocket book, and YOU HURT YOUR COUNTRY. Yes you get cheap labor, but the illegels get all the benefits ie. school for their 6 kids, health care at any emergence room , that we do not have, ect.. It was different 150 years ago, no social services, THAT THE CITIZENS PAY FOR, the chinese, and irish did cost THE GOV.( ie me and you anything), it just is not the same..I like to think all of us care for this country..BUT

When the hispanices(mexican) who are at 23% legel poup. and as much as 10% illegels reach the 50 % and it will happen, if something does not change, this country will become theirs, Spanish can be what is spoken, I see the THE UNITED STATES OF ESPONLOIA, laugh and say what you will, but remenber that there are about a Billion people south of our border and most would come if they could,,AND ALL THEY NEED IS A REASON TO BE HERE, A JOB AND SOME ONE TO HOUSE THEM....It is not going to be Me....

Your cheap labor, is going to be paid for by your grandkids,If you do not believe me, LOOK AT WHAT SLAVERY HAS DONE FOR THIS COUNTRY...

I nor Triple S said we hired illegals some times their paper work maybe guestionable but if the gov't can't give you straight ansewr if it is correct or not how are we supposed to know
I called immigration and told them I had a person that was working for me and that I wasn't sure his paperwork was correct ( i didn't want to get in trouble) they sent a agent out looked at his paper work and said it might not be legitimate but we can't prove that so what do you want us to do he has his paper work and how are we supposed to know f he is who he says he is

 

[HerefordSire]

Face the facts, IT IS SIMPLE, when you hire illegels you help your pocket book, and YOU HURT YOUR COUNTRY. Yes you get cheap labor, but the illegels get all the benefits ie. school for their 6 kids, health care at any emergence room , that we do not have, ect.. It was different 150 years ago, no social services, THAT THE CITIZENS PAY FOR, the chinese, and irish did cost THE GOV.( ie me and you anything), it just is not the same..I like to think all of us care for this country..BUT

When the hispanices(mexican) who are at 23% legel poup. and as much as 10% illegels reach the 50 % and it will happen, if something does not change, this country will become theirs, Spanish can be what is spoken, I see the THE UNITED STATES OF ESPONLOIA, laugh and say what you will, but remenber that there are about a Billion people south of our border and most would come if they could,,AND ALL THEY NEED IS A REASON TO BE HERE, A JOB AND SOME ONE TO HOUSE THEM....It is not going to be Me....

Your cheap labor, is going to be paid for by your grandkids,If you do not believe me, LOOK AT WHAT SLAVERY HAS DONE FOR THIS COUNTRY...

There could be a flaw in your thinking. Consider this:

Hispanics are generally mostly Catholic that don't believe in birth control. This means the legals can expand at a faster rate than other races. The only way I see preventing a majority controlling vote by Hispanics in the USA, is to open the borders to other races to dilute the percentages.

 

[CattleHand]

Face the facts, IT IS SIMPLE, when you hire illegels you help your pocket book, and YOU HURT YOUR COUNTRY. Yes you get cheap labor, but the illegels get all the benefits ie. school for their 6 kids, health care at any emergence room , that we do not have, ect.. It was different 150 years ago, no social services, THAT THE CITIZENS PAY FOR, the chinese, and irish did cost THE GOV.( ie me and you anything), it just is not the same..I like to think all of us care for this country..BUT

When the hispanices(mexican) who are at 23% legel poup. and as much as 10% illegels reach the 50 % and it will happen, if something does not change, this country will become theirs, Spanish can be what is spoken, I see the THE UNITED STATES OF ESPONLOIA, laugh and say what you will, but remenber that there are about a Billion people south of our border and most would come if they could,,AND ALL THEY NEED IS A REASON TO BE HERE, A JOB AND SOME ONE TO HOUSE THEM....It is not going to be Me....

Your cheap labor, is going to be paid for by your grandkids,If you do not believe me, LOOK AT WHAT SLAVERY HAS DONE FOR THIS COUNTRY...

Couldn't resist getting into this conversation. I know I don't know you but I can tell you haven't worked with illegals. I myself am 20 and have worked with primarily illegals for the past three summers in the restaurants and figured I'd give you an idea of how their world works before you judge them. Here is how a good friend of mine edberto explained it:

"All come here to work because seven dollars an hour is too easy of money to pass up." Working in Mexico he made $7 dollars a day you can do the math on why its good to come to america. They buy fake numbers (how i never asked) and get jobs where other illegals work. The B.C. catches them takes them back and they come back over. Edberto had been caught eight times and kept coming back. The B.C. even told him if he would turn in the coyote they would let him stay, but he couldn't do that cause the coyote's brothers would probably come kill him if they could find him.

I've never worked with an illegal I didn't like. They out work every American I've ever met and enjoy it. The owner would hire whites and I would ask him to fire them and tell edberto to call one of his friends to work. They taught me a lot of spanish but wanted to learn as much english as they could so it went both ways. After work they would have me over, give me dinner and watch a the sports highlights and have a few beers. Very nice people.

Anyways you seem to have a lot of animosity against illegals but i personally have no trouble with a man who works and all it costs me is giving his children an education (paying for their hospital visits is one touchy subject) but they are a hell of a lot better than the Americans we have here that dont work and get our welfare and medicare hand outs. American do me is anyone who is proud to be here and has a good work ethic. Best qualities any person could have.

 

[cross_7]

people are people no matter the race
the color of your skin doesn't determine the type of person you are...
all races have good and bad

they work and pay taxes, thats better than a lot of US citizens
if you were born south of the rio grande
what would you do for your family ?

 

[MO_cows]

To me, it doesn't matter how hard they work or how nice of people they are. Illegal immigrants committed a felony to get here, period. And it shows how poorly we protect our borders. That's the core issue in this day and age of terrorism. Maybe INS needs to open up their quotas and make it easier to come here legally, I don't know. But no matter how good a worker or how nice a person, I think if you snuck into this country, you should get deported. You come back again, you're a slow learner, go to prison and do some hard time, then get deported. The illegals are messing up Social Security, health plans, all kinds of systems. They are a security risk because sooner or later terrorists will figure out how to masquerade as Latinos. I'm sorry that conditions in their home country suck so bad that doing hard labor for minimum wage looks like a dream job. But that doesn't make it right to sneak across the border and invade our country.

 

[cross_7]

To me, it doesn't matter how hard they work or how nice of people they are. Illegal immigrants committed a felony to get here, period. And it shows how poorly we protect our borders. That's the core issue in this day and age of terrorism. Maybe INS needs to open up their quotas and make it easier to come here legally, I don't know. But no matter how good a worker or how nice a person, I think if you snuck into this country, you should get deported. You come back again, you're a slow learner, go to prison and do some hard time, then get deported. The illegals are messing up Social Security, health plans, all kinds of systems. They are a security risk because sooner or later terrorists will figure out how to masquerade as Latinos. I'm sorry that conditions in their home country suck so bad that doing hard labor for minimum wage looks like a dream job. But that doesn't make it right to sneak across the border and invade our country.

you may get to experience it first hand, right here in the usa ;-)

 

[novatech]

I do not blame the illegals for wanting to come to this country. If I were in their shoes I would do the same. I do not blame the employers for hiring them as they must be able to find employees that will work. I believe that Social Security would have been broke years ago if it were not for the illegals paying in and not receiving any of the benefits back.
I believe the US made a deal with Mexico not to enforce immigration laws. The US sent a great deal of US manufacturing to Mexico. The borders were opened for transport of Mexican goods transported by there truckers into this country. A multi billion dollar highway was proposed to be built that would be beneficial mostly for Mexican transport of goods. The illegals enjoy free medicine in this country. If their wives make it across then their children, born here, will automatically become US citizens. The children go into our school system where our teachers are required to learn Spanish to teach them. They, illegals, can buy property in the US and the banks loan them the money. They have found them to be very creditable.
So what is the government doing about it. Well they gave a contract to an aircraft manufacturer to build a fence on the boarder. The result of this is that the people that make a living getting these people across the boarder went up in price. From $150 t0 $2500 and sale on wire cutters have increased. Of course Boing is making a lot of money off of it. It is nothing but a placebo to help pacify the American public. The illegals look at the fence as a joke. The US government decided to fine employers for hiring illegals. They really did not do much enforcement. Just another placebo. The illegals went out and obtained fake papers. This satisfies everyone and makes for another guy getting rich making up the documents. As far as the IRS is concerned, all they want is the money. They know they will never have to give a refund.
What has happened recently is that all the illegals that do not have legitimate papers will no longer be able to renew their drivers license, in Texas. Other states will probably follow. Most will say this will be great. Maybe, but now we will have untested drivers on the road with no insurance. So our uninsured motorist coverage will surely increase. With no license they cannot get insurance. With no insurance they cannot get financing. With no financing there will sure be a lot of cars hit the market. I am anxious to see how the illegals handle this new law.
I am not so much against them coming to this country to work. I am against them having the same rights and privileges enjoyed by US citizens. And I certainly am against the children becoming citizens when they are born here. I do not believe they should have the same protection under the law.
I for one have been on both ends of the illegal worker effect. At one time I made a good living in several of the construction trades. I was put out of business because the illegals took the work from me by doing it cheaper, construction work. Now the legal (I believe to mostly children of the illegals) Mexicans have taken over most of the construction trades and make a handsome living doing it. Now I must hire legal, as far as the papers I see, Mexicans to work because they are all I can get.
Most of the illegals are good people just trying to feed their family. They are not stupid. They learn how to take advantage of the American give away programs very quickly.
I apologize for the rambling but I feel that there is just a lot more to the problems and benefits with the illegals.

 

[kerley]

Novatech, Your post is correct. The Mexicans have made it very difficult for the American Contractor to work within the current legal system and compete with under the table payroll practices. That is the major reason I retired early. You can cheat the system to work your trade and risk going to jail and loosing everything you have worked for. Not fair but thats the way it is.
Tom

 

[L.A.]

I've hired on a mexican man to help some. He is extremely good with cattle. Probally has more experience and knowledge than I do. We have somewhat of a communication barrier though. Can anyone translate some common ranch terms

Cow - Vaca
Bull - Toro
Calf/Calves - ? bacerro/bacerra
Heifer - ? Vaquilla
Steer - ? Never used this
Pasture - ? Pasto or Pastura
Fence - ? cerca
Corral - ? corral
Grass - ? zacate
Hay - ? I always used pacas (bales)
Feed - ? aliemento
Water - Aqua
Bred - ? (Long bred... I always used panzona which basically means "Pot bellied".
Vaccine - ? Vaccination
Spray - ? Never used it.
Catch - ? Depends on how your using it.....agarrar
Fix - ? reparar
Gate - ? puerta

There's probally more but these are the ones i seem to need the most. Thanks

28 posts and only 1 answer to the question by TexasBred. I was interested in seeing the varations from locations and dialeks(sp)

L.A.

 

[3waycross]

Well at least you managed to open a brand new can of worms.

as far as the translations go TB is pretty much spot on. If you want more find a first generation Mexican that has been schooled here and have them translate for you.

 

[triple'S']

i forgot

salt - ?
minerals - ?

Now I'm off to find more barrels to smuggle Mexicans in.

 

[3waycross]

i forgot

salt - ? sal, prounounced saul
minerals - ? minerales

Now I'm off to find more barrels to smuggle Mexicans in.

BTW you could get most of these by simply using Google translate, however it will only give you the high end Spanish translation , not the regional dilect. In most cases if you are dealing with someone from around Mexico City the high end Spanish works real well. However in the country the dialects vary dramatically, and most real quality Vaqueros definately come from outside Mexico City.

 

[Brandonm22]

Face the facts, IT IS SIMPLE, when you hire illegels you help your pocket book, and YOU HURT YOUR COUNTRY. Yes you get cheap labor, but the illegels get all the benefits ie. school for their 6 kids, health care at any emergence room , that we do not have, ect.. It was different 150 years ago, no social services, THAT THE CITIZENS PAY FOR, the chinese, and irish did cost THE GOV.( ie me and you anything), it just is not the same..I like to think all of us care for this country..BUT

When the hispanices(mexican) who are at 23% legel poup. and as much as 10% illegels reach the 50 % and it will happen, if something does not change, this country will become theirs, Spanish can be what is spoken, I see the THE UNITED STATES OF ESPONLOIA, laugh and say what you will, but remenber that there are about a Billion people south of our border and most would come if they could,,AND ALL THEY NEED IS A REASON TO BE HERE, A JOB AND SOME ONE TO HOUSE THEM....It is not going to be Me....

Your cheap labor, is going to be paid for by your grandkids,If you do not believe me, LOOK AT WHAT SLAVERY HAS DONE FOR THIS COUNTRY...

D*mn the country and d*mn the grandkids, most of them are going to hell with the rest of this country. Do what you have to do to survive and prosper while you are here. I don't give a rip about the government's schools or any of the stupid government hand out programs. I would abolish all of that socialist nonsense on principle. If the government WANTED to keep the illegal aliens out they could. They don't, so turn the situation into your advantage.

 

[alftn]

Get this straight, WE ARE THE GOVERMENT, again greed is the underlying issue...I understand why the illegels come,and can not say I would not do the same, BUT that is not the point...

(D*mn the country and d*mn the grandkids, most of them are going to be nice with the rest of this country. Do what you have to do to survive and prosper while you are here. I don't give a rip about the government's schools or any of the stupid government hand out programs. I would abolish all of that socialist nonsense on principle. If the government WANTED to keep the illegal aliens out they could. They don't, so turn the situation into your advantage.)

Yes and to this I say , free enterprize, is so much better,NOT...Again greed, large company have few morals...Look at the hand out business gets..It is treated better than people...I would much reather the tax paying citizens of this country get the socialist hand out than THE BIG CORP.. and the multily million $ bonas, well give it to education...BUT anyone who does understand that his CHILDERN and grandchildern are what is important, well some things can not be fix....


NO SNOW FLAKE IN A AVALANCHE EVER FEELS RESPONABLY

 

[backhoeboogie]

When the hispanics(mexican) who are at 23% legel poup.

You can choose to be rude and insulting if you want. That is your right.

Mexicans fought along side my ancestors at the Alamo. Mexicans also fought along side my ancestors at San Jacinto. These folks became Texans at that point. Many of these families and their descendants have lived here longer than yours. Some go back to this land a thousand years. And you don't know the difference between a hispanic and a Mexican, as evidenced in your post above.

So I am sitting here reading your words and thinking you must be just like all the rest of the people who move in here and tell people they are not American and can't tell the difference, don't know the difference, and don't want to know the difference, and don't really care in the first place. We all know the type.

So should I call you an African, a Chinaman, an Eskimo or what? Maybe if you were made out to be a foreigner you would quit categorizing folks whose families have been right here for 500 years or longer.

Mexicans are from Mexico. It is pretty simple to understand. We don't refer to them as hispanics.

As to the original post, over a hundred cattle terms come from Mexicans back during the cattle drive days. Words like "corral" are their own words. Why does it need to be translated? Lasso? There are about a dozen names we borrowed from them for saddle furnishings. I saw the long list once and it was simply amazing, when it came to cattle.

 

[mwj]

Let that cheap labor export your cash back home and see what it does for your market :???:
I wonder why our domestic beef sales have used the same reasoning on imported meat that you have on cheap labor.
Will someone start a thread on the virtues of cheap beef from China being good for the producers because it increased sales and lowered cost :cowboy:

 

[alftn]

Frist and formost, I never wanted insult anyone, just pointing out the damanage effects of illegels....Second if your realetives fought at the alamo, they were probly close kin of mine.. most of my family, have been here along time..My people fought with Jackson in the war of 1812 and married with his family, that what brought us to west TN. in 1815 ... And yes fact is all amercians are imports, even the So called native americans, they just got here a few thousands years earlier

I was raised in ALamo TN. that is crockett county, and as fact many tennessee even the one from ark. were close tied to gether. YOU name them and the mostly were for right here, well 30 miles away for where I sit at this very min... Houston,Crockett, and formost Ben mcculleth( probly sp. wrong)..


Again I truly sorry If my reference to slavery, ilegels, or anything else bothered anyone, but THIS IS MY COUNTRY, and I want apologize fo that.....

 

[Brandonm22]

Get this straight, WE ARE THE GOVERMENT, ...

Absolutely not, whatever 3rd grade teacher taught you THAT utter nonsense should be fired. The umpteen levels of self protecting bureacracy and the moneyed special interests that pulls the controls run this country. The rest of us just live here and pay taxes. It has been that way your entire life and it will be that way long after we are all gone. Nobody is more involved in local/state politics than I am; but at the end of the day politics is still only the art of the possible and if you think you/we really control government you are deluded.

again greed is the underlying issue...I understand why the illegels come,and can not say I would not do the same, BUT that is not the point...

We haven't figured out WHAT your point is other than you don't like Mexicans/Hispanics and feel that you have the moral authority to be telling other people how they should be running their business. Hire the best person you can get for the job. To heck with their skin color, their country of origin, or how this decision affects Social Security or the government's schools. That is the MORAL thing to do and if you follow the law it is also the LEGAL thing to do. If they have got documentation they are legally entitled to a fair shot at whatever job you are advertising

 

[backhoeboogie]

This used to be a great country. What happened? Our borders used to be wide open to anyone. "give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free....."

We were innovative. We were hungry. We were challenged. We took pride in our work.

It all changed in our parents and grandparents life time - including closing the borders.

This country thrived, started through the industrial revolution, and became a world power with its borders wide open. Populations sky rocketed.

I don't think our problems now can be attributed to folks sneaking in and doing jobs, for little pay, that no one else wants to do.

 

[novatech]

This used to be a great country. What happened? Our borders used to be wide open to anyone. "give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free....."

We were innovative. We were hungry. We were challenged. We took pride in our work.

It all changed in our parents and grandparents life time - including closing the borders.

This country thrived, started through the industrial revolution, and became a world power with its borders wide open. Populations sky rocketed.

I don't think our problems now can be attributed to folks sneaking in and doing jobs, for little pay, that no one else wants to do.

There is a big difference between the native born Mexican people in this country and the illegals that are coming from across the boarder. The native born population is just like any other race in this country,good and bad. The illegals that come over are for the most part honest hard working people. Personally I trust them more than the legals.
I agree with you about the way the country use to be. It is what made the country great, the melting pot. My grandfather had migrant workers, illegals, that would come pick cotton every year. When they were done they would return to Mexico. They received no benefits other than a pay check. The situation has changed. Today we have government give away programs endorsed by the bleeding harts. The illegals have learned how to work the give away programs. It is costing citizens more in tax dollars and aiding in the high cost of medical bills. My people prefer to use the free clinic vs. the insurance I provide for them. As far as honest, I prefer them to the drug addicted thieves that are sent to me from the Work Force Commission. I have found the illegals to be honest and hard working. Contrary to popular belief they are not any cheaper. As a matter of fact the better skilled workers know their worth and usually get it.
Someone made a comment about 6 living in a house and sending money back to Mexico. So what, I had 5 kids, my father, and my wife in a 1200 sq. ft. house when times were hard. In the old days most families were large and lived in small houses. Many US citizens still do today. Maybe if we had 6 in a house today there would be some money we could send to the bank.