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Douglas":kd200cs4 said:^How about a link to that article. If you are talking dollars may so, but if you are talking percentages you are way off. What you are likely talking about is standards deductions like depreciation all business get. These companies are high because they are very big or very heavily dependent on capital/equipment not because of special deals. Solar is a small industry but would not exist without subsidies.
And the biggest subsidy is not really a subsidy at all. Many state mandates public utilities to use wind and solar to a certain degree, so the folks paying the higher electric bills pay theses subsidies every day.
Bestoutwest":34hkqltp said:What bothers me the most about the climate change debate is the hypocrisy:
-Al Gore flying in his private plane to an event on global warming.
-People protesting the oil industry while floating in their plastic kayaks made from.......
-City folks complaining about cow farts while taxis and delivery trucks idle all day on the streets of NYC, LA, Dallas, etc, and the constant flights to a ton of destinations that no one really needs to go to.
I could go on, but what good would it do. Is the earth warming? Yes, there is evidence that it is. Is it man made? Well, only time will tell. Will humans become extinct? Yes, and some other life form will move in. That's the history of the planet, it's been going on for over 4 billion years and will continue on until the sun engulfs the earth at some point in the very distant future.
M-5":2cs4xtjm said:actually that is wrong we've been cooling for 30 plus years
Bestoutwest":24y8uzcg said:What bothers me the most about the climate change debate is the hypocrisy:
-Al Gore flying in his private plane to an event on global warming.
-People protesting the oil industry while floating in their plastic kayaks made from.......
-City folks complaining about cow farts while taxis and delivery trucks idle all day on the streets of NYC, LA, Dallas, etc, and the constant flights to a ton of destinations that no one really needs to go to.
I could go on, but what good would it do. Is the earth warming? Yes, there is evidence that it is. Is it man made? Well, only time will tell. Will humans become extinct? Yes, and some other life form will move in. That's the history of the planet, it's been going on for over 4 billion years and will continue on until the sun engulfs the earth at some point in the very distant future.
Bright Raven":26fgz3q6 said:Climate change is a FACT. If someone is stating that the the climate has never changed consider this:
There are crocodile fossils in the Green River Formation of Wyoming. I have seen them in person.
One of the most important fossil sites for understanding the Eocene is found at Green River, located in western Colorado, eastern Utah and southwestern Wyoming in the United States. During the Eocene, this region was located at much the same latitude it is today, though global climate was more equable. Therefore, the climate in which the organisms lived differs somewhat from that of the present-day western United States. The fossils, especially plants, found at this site indicate that the climate was moist temperate or sub-tropical, with temperatures ranging from 15 to 20 degrees Celsius. In addition to the plants, another piece of evidence suggesting that the climate was sub-tropical was the presence of fossilized crocodiles. Crocodiles can only survive in areas with a constant, warm temperature.
Bright Raven":3fnnxh2h said:M-5
Climate change is extensively documented in the geological history of earth.
1. Continents move by the process of sea floor spreading and plate tectonics.
2. Ocean currents change do to movement of the tectonic plates.
3. Volcanic activity has been extensive during past geologic periods. During the Mesozoic, the atmosphere of the earth was thick with gases and Carbon dioxide spewed out of volcanos.
4. Mountain chains are lifted by plate tectonics, then over time they are eroded away. That has major climatic impact. For example, the Rocky Mtns are relatively young but the Appalachian mtns are very old. In their youth, the Appalachian mtns were higher than the Rockies.
All these factors and more, affect climate. It takes a very very uneducated person to not acknowledge geological climate changes.
Douglas":3b5ge0us said:As cattle producers we really don't want to talk about methane do we.
Jogeephus":2o46ho76 said:I'm confused. I don't understand why everyone is so upset over CO2 emissions when increased CO2 makes plants grow faster and produce more oxygen and more biomass. That would be a good thing wouldn't it? I remember the acid rain scare where we were told sulfuric acid would be raining down on us in a few years so scrubbers were put on the smoke stacks and catalytic converters were made mandatory to prevent this. Now we have to add sulfur to our fertilizer applications because there is no longer enough sulfur in the atmosphere to provide for the needs of the plants. But what effect is this regulation having on plants they don't receive fertilizer? It would seem reasonable to think CO2 should be the least of our worries when methane is a much worse greenhouse gas. Methane is formed naturally and there are large sources of methane such as swamps. These could be filled to mitigate this pollution but its against federal law to fill in a swamp. Its all so confusing. Its almost as if the government just wants to justify another tax but that couldn't be. The government is there to help us. Right?