Some truth on climate change

[HDRider]

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: "No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."

In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: "The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order."

Speaking at the 2000 U.N. Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France explained why the IPCC's climate initiative supported a key Western European Kyoto Protocol objective: "For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established."

IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: "…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world's wealth..."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryb...-alarmists-debunk-their-science/#6329a0ea68a3

 

[HDRider]

President Obama has put salvation from dreaded climate catastrophes on his action agenda hot list. During his inaugural address he said:

"We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations." He went on to shame anyone who disagrees with this assessment, saying, "Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires and crippling drought and powerful storms."

 

[HDRider]

A remark from Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: "We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse."

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: "We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy." (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)

 

[HDRider]

Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department said: "A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect."

The late Stephen Schneider, who authored The Genesis Strategy, a 1976 book warning that global cooling risks posed a threat to humanity, later changed that view 180 degrees, serving as a lead author for important parts of three sequential IPCC reports. In a quotation published in Discover, he said:

"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, on the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people, we'd like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change.

To do that, we need to get some broad-based support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of the doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."

 

[greybeard]

How Dare You!!

 

[hurleyjd]

Texas Drought map. Type your zip code in and find out where you are. I am slightly dry.

https://www.drought.gov/drought/states/texas?places=75497

 

[bird dog]

I am in the severe drought area just west of Corsicana. Not sure why. Maybe because we have not had any rain over a 1/2" but we have had enough of these showers to get the ponds up at least 6". Maybe its a carryover from the dry late summer and fall conditions? Either way, its not to bad at all. My oats are at about 5". The cows go on them next week.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

I would wager to guess there have been droughts since the beginning of time.

 

[wbvs58]

"the right balance between being effective and honest" This has been my view on scientific evidence the whole time. Scientists can very easily work to gain the result they desire and at the moment they are on a windfall as there is plenty of money out there for their work with governments throwing money at them to come up with the results that governments desire.
To me the climate is changing as it always has done so, as to how much influence we have had on it is immaterial. I do like to see how we are better looking after things but I do not like things taken to extremes like the green movement wants. With our recent bushfires you get the feeling the greens think if we stop using coal fired powerhouses the fires will go out tomorrow. They want a small country like Australia to destroy its economy to fix up the world.
The biggest thing of all I feel is population control, we can't go on multiplying at the exponential rate that we are. We have just got to adapt to what ever the climate throws at us. It will come to a fine balance between what we can produce and feeding the world and failed crops in multiple parts of the world will produce a food crisis.

Ken

 

[Logar]

It is all about people control and money.

Lead by the UN.

THE most corrupt organization on the planet.

Best to all.

 

[HDRider]

Politicians now know better than to say things like I posted

They have their game face on now

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Politicians now know better than to say things like I posted

They have their game face on now

Yea, now they let the children doing all the talking.

 

[GoWyo]

As wealth goes up in a population, fecundity goes down. Making wealthy countries poor will cause population growth.

 

[greybeard]

The biggest thing of all I feel is population control, we can't go on multiplying at the exponential rate that we are.

I always wince a bit when I see this stated.
It's a bit like the people that leave their homes, built of 2x hidden beams & framing, plywood sub floors, nice birch and oak cabinets, with brick or metal exterior, and travel to a 'save the trees' protests. They already have their homes built from trees....they want everyone else to do what they didn't do.
Not once, in all my years of hearing that "there's too many people" complaint, have I seen a single one that is willing to forfeit their own life to diminish the population even by 1.
funny how that is huh?

 

[rnh2]

Just read an article stating NASA scientists are warning of global cooling because of forecasted decrease in sun spot activity. Wish I hadn't deleted that. I saw another article stating that NASA knew that the world would warm because it's orbit was moving closer to the sun and that the northern hemisphere would tilt towards the sun more. I taught history for years. First chapter in the book was about the Ice Age. History repeats itself

 

[wbvs58]

Yes when you consider all the factors that influence our climate like activity of the sun, distance from the sun etc. It is a big ask for everything to stay the same forever. I still think we are running too many head to the paddock.

Ken

 

[HDRider]

The biggest thing of all I feel is population control, we can't go on multiplying at the exponential rate that we are.

I always wince a bit when I see this stated.
It's a bit like the people that leave their homes, built of 2x hidden beams & framing, plywood sub floors, nice birch and oak cabinets, with brick or metal exterior, and travel to a 'save the trees' protests. They already have their homes built from trees....they want everyone else to do what they didn't do.
Not once, in all my years of hearing that "there's too many people" complaint, have I seen a single one that is willing to forfeit their own life to diminish the population even by 1.
funny how that is huh?

No one wants to step out early.

I think population control is happening in the developed world. Big families are a thing of the past for most. Many Euro countries are bringing in immigrants because of labor shortages.

We don't have to put Vince in charge of population control to be effective.

 

[alisonb]

Global warming is just one aspect of climate change...I notice that these two terms are used interchangeably in this thread ;-)

 

[HDRider]

Global warming is just one aspect of climate change...I notice that these two terms are used interchangeably in this thread ;-)

Climate change replaced global warming as the marketing label.

 

[wbvs58]

Global warming is just one aspect of climate change...I notice that these two terms are used interchangeably in this thread ;-)

Climate change replaced global warming as the marketing label.

Yes, gives them room to move if suddenly things change and they decide it is going to get cooler rather than hotter.

Ken