CAIP Bred Heifers

[Bright Raven]

Here much of the ground that should of never been broke out and farmed was in soil bank back in the 50's and 60's. Then it ended and as soon as it came out farmers broke out this sorry ground and it did contribute to any already over supply but in a few years much of it was blowing and they were getting paid for it not producing. Then CRP came along and most of it went back in and the gov't paid again to have it planted to grass and to maintain it. Now as soon as any comes out most are breaking it out again. Many just retired and lived on the income off of the ground. IMO it is welfare just like many of the other farm programs. And there should be a provision that if a land owner is paid once to put a piece of land back into grass they won't pay again on that same piece. Again JMO.

This is what some Environmental groups have documented. Excellent point. At the end of the day, the money spent to prevent erosion is a WASTE and the erosion is only postponed.

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Here much of the ground that should of never been broke out and farmed was in soil bank back in the 50's and 60's. Then it ended and as soon as it came out farmers broke out this sorry ground and it did contribute to any already over supply but in a few years much of it was blowing and they were getting paid for it not producing. Then CRP came along and most of it went back in and the gov't paid again to have it planted to grass and to maintain it. Now as soon as any comes out most are breaking it out again. Many just retired and lived on the income off of the ground. IMO it is welfare just like many of the other farm programs. And there should be a provision that if a land owner is paid once to put a piece of land back into grass they won't pay again on that same piece. Again JMO.

I like this idea. I'm also against landowners hunt leasing ground that's receiving CRP or other big government money. It angers Regular Joe when they see farmers receiving 100's of thousands of dollars in gov't money, then leasing this same property to wealthy out of state hunters, and they won't let Joe on the place he's paying the bills on. Farmers used to have the highest reputations around. Not so much anymore, for reasons like this.

I want in on this gravy train. Sounds like good business.

 

[Gators Rule]

So if I’m hearing correctly, I shouldn’t be able to hunt a particular piece of property in another state if I make over a certain amount of money (more than Average Joe)? That’s not welfare? I don’t contribute to the federal government that funds CRP? Interesting philosophy.

 

[littletom]

Here much of the ground that should of never been broke out and farmed was in soil bank back in the 50's and 60's. Then it ended and as soon as it came out farmers broke out this sorry ground and it did contribute to any already over supply but in a few years much of it was blowing and they were getting paid for it not producing. Then CRP came along and most of it went back in and the gov't paid again to have it planted to grass and to maintain it. Now as soon as any comes out most are breaking it out again. Many just retired and lived on the income off of the ground. IMO it is welfare just like many of the other farm programs. And there should be a provision that if a land owner is paid once to put a piece of land back into grass they won't pay again on that same piece. Again JMO.

I like this idea. I'm also against landowners hunt leasing ground that's receiving CRP or other big government money. It angers Regular Joe when they see farmers receiving 100's of thousands of dollars in gov't money, then leasing this same property to wealthy out of state hunters, and they won't let Joe on the place he's paying the bills on. Farmers used to have the highest reputations around. Not so much anymore, for reasons like this.

I lease several pieces of ground that I don't get to hunt. Another guy pays for that.

 

[BFE]

So if I’m hearing correctly, I shouldn’t be able to hunt a particular piece of property in another state if I make over a certain amount of money (more than Average Joe)? That’s not welfare? I don’t contribute to the federal government that funds CRP? Interesting philosophy.

Makes no difference the income of hunter. If you want to collect a fortune on CRP, your ground should be open to those that foot the bill, like a state wildlife area. At least then the taxpayer would get something for his money. It would put some teeth in the CRP program, make the landowner think hard about getting that payment.

 

[True Grit Farms]

So if I’m hearing correctly, I shouldn’t be able to hunt a particular piece of property in another state if I make over a certain amount of money (more than Average Joe)? That’s not welfare? I don’t contribute to the federal government that funds CRP? Interesting philosophy.

Makes no difference the income of hunter. If you want to collect a fortune on CRP, your ground should be open to those that foot the bill, like a state wildlife area. At least then the taxpayer would get something for his money. It would put some teeth in the CRP program, make the landowner think hard about getting that payment.

That would about totally eliminate the CRP programs around here. I like that idea.

 

[Gators Rule]

Sooooo to all the CRP naysayers, you make it sound like farmers are getting rich with CRP, or at least making a living off CRP.

True Grit, in your home state of Georgia, do you realize of the 7300 total acres on CRP contracts, 58% are Contracts encompassing only 11-50 acres? Personally, I don’t own any crop land, much less any CRP land.

 

[True Grit Farms]

Sooooo to all the CRP naysayers, you make it sound like farmers are getting rich with CRP, or at least making a living off CRP.

True Grit, in your home state of Georgia, do you realize of the 7300 total acres on CRP contracts, 58% are Contracts encompassing only 11-50 acres? Personally, I don’t own any crop land, much less any CRP land.

I'll take your word for the numbers. I should of said CPR type of programs. The NRCS and EQUIP programs and other government cost shares give millions of dollars yearly to those that plant trees and native forages in Georgia.

 

[Bright Raven]

Wish I had about 10 more Bred Heifers that quality under CAIP. Sold two yesterday.

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

You must have made out well.

 

[Bright Raven]

You must have made out well.

Fire Sweep says I am too generous with my cattle. :hat:

 

[BFE]

Sooooo to all the CRP naysayers, you make it sound like farmers are getting rich with CRP, or at least making a living off CRP.

True Grit, in your home state of Georgia, do you realize of the 7300 total acres on CRP contracts, 58% are Contracts encompassing only 11-50 acres? Personally, I don’t own any crop land, much less any CRP land.

https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FS ... 202017.pdf

 

[elkwc]

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Sooooo to all the CRP naysayers, you make it sound like farmers are getting rich with CRP, or at least making a living off CRP.

True Grit, in your home state of Georgia, do you realize of the 7300 total acres on CRP contracts, 58% are Contracts encompassing only 11-50 acres? Personally, I don’t own any crop land, much less any CRP land.

Around many have done very well. Being there is a limit they have created many partnership names solely for the purpose of bypassing the max limit limitation. Many have lived on the payments for years. And now that they aren't offering as much they have took plowed it up and I've been told several hope they come out with another program so tgey can put it back in. They get mad when you call it welfare but it is. I have told more than one they should never complain about welfare as long as they are accepting it. They are no better than any other person on welfare

 

[Gators Rule]

Sooooo to all the CRP naysayers, you make it sound like farmers are getting rich with CRP, or at least making a living off CRP.

True Grit, in your home state of Georgia, do you realize of the 7300 total acres on CRP contracts, 58% are Contracts encompassing only 11-50 acres? Personally, I don’t own any crop land, much less any CRP land.

https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FS ... 202017.pdf

BFE, not sure where’s the difference. Here’s what I pulled my data from.
https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FS ... 202017.pdf

 

[Bright Raven]

Sooooo to all the CRP naysayers, you make it sound like farmers are getting rich with CRP, or at least making a living off CRP.

True Grit, in your home state of Georgia, do you realize of the 7300 total acres on CRP contracts, 58% are Contracts encompassing only 11-50 acres? Personally, I don’t own any crop land, much less any CRP land.

https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FS ... 202017.pdf

BFE, not sure where’s the difference. Here’s what I pulled my data from.
https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FS ... 202017.pdf

BFE is providing acres. Gator is providing number of contracts. The right column in the Gator link is a summation of 347, 1045, 4201, and 1639 for a total of 7,232 contracts in the state of Georgia.

For acres, refer to the BFE Link. Georgia - General 86,560 acres. Continuous 137,432 acres.

 

[True Grit Farms]

Sooooo to all the CRP naysayers, you make it sound like farmers are getting rich with CRP, or at least making a living off CRP.

True Grit, in your home state of Georgia, do you realize of the 7300 total acres on CRP contracts, 58% are Contracts encompassing only 11-50 acres? Personally, I don’t own any crop land, much less any CRP land.

https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FS ... 202017.pdf

BFE, not sure where’s the difference. Here’s what I pulled my data from.
https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FS ... 202017.pdf

https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/wps/portal/nr ... /programs/
There's so much available if you want it, it makes me sick. We need the money here in middle Georgia or this place would be a ghost town. It's very sad how dependent we are to the government. Mr. Hart has just received his EQUIP check, there's folks at his place pouring concrete pads for water troughs, a new deep well and a trencher laying pipe. He's a big time hypocrite.

 

[Bright Raven]

https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/wps/portal/nr ... /programs/
There's so much available if you want it, it makes me sick. We need the money here in middle Georgia or this place would be a ghost town. It's very sad how dependent we are to the government. Mr. Hart has just received his EQUIP check, there's folks at his place pouring concrete pads for water troughs, a new deep well and a trencher laying pipe. He's a big time hypocrite.

Vince, government programs to support agriculture originated after the Great Depression. Both parties have a history of authoring legislation to create these programs. This does not fit your "liberal" label mentality. In fact, conservatives have always seen themselves as pro-agriculture which includes all these programs you have listed here and in the other posts.

It would be financially catastrophic to end it abruptly. Farm land would drop to an 80 year low. For example, CRP is recognized as an underpinning for farm property values. If Georgia is like Kentucky, most farms are marginally profitable without the government programs.

 

[True Grit Farms]

https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/wps/portal/nr ... /programs/
There's so much available if you want it, it makes me sick. We need the money here in middle Georgia or this place would be a ghost town. It's very sad how dependent we are to the government. Mr. Hart has just received his EQUIP check, there's folks at his place pouring concrete pads for water troughs, a new deep well and a trencher laying pipe. He's a big time hypocrite.

Vince, government programs to support agriculture originated after the Great Depression. Both parties have a history of authoring legislation to create these programs. This does not fit your "liberal" label mentality. In fact, conservatives have always seen themselves as pro-agriculture which includes all these programs you have listed here and in the other posts.

It would be financially catastrophic to end it abruptly. Farm land would drop to an 80 year low. For example, CRP is recognized as an underpinning for farm property values. If Georgia is like Kentucky, most farms are marginally profitable without the government programs.

Everyone depends on the government around here to pay the bills. All I've ever wanted is for the government to get the heck out of the way, I can take care of myself and pay my own bills. The USDA dictates what the policies and rules farmers and fishermen have to live by. One group benefits from government assistance, the other struggles with government intervention.