CAIP Bred Heifers

[True Grit Farms]

Georgia has cost share, subsidies and welfare available to farmers, I'd assume every state has it.

Have you ever used any of these kind of programs? Like getting a drought check from the ASCS office to compensate for the effects on cattle? Or CRP checks. IMO, these are the same category of program.

The only program I have used is the CAIP.

Personally no I haven't, but my wife took a drought payment. So that definitely makes me a government teat sucker also. We pay more in taxes than I think we'd ever get back in subsidies. I know a couple of my farming buddies get way more in subsidies than they pay in taxes. I see all these farmers driving new trucks, tractors and living in big house's all while getting government subsidies of one kind or the other. It kind of chaps my lips as a taxpayer, and sometimes makes me want to live like that. But we do alright now and live a decent life, so why should I freeload off the system if I don't have to? I challenge the majority of the people who cost share or take subsidies, to ask that question to themselves. Is it greed? Or just wanting to get your tax dollars back? Or do you feel the government owes you? Or is it because everyone else takes it you might as well? If I needed it or felt like it was owed to me I'd want it.

 

[True Grit Farms]

Georgia has cost share, subsidies and welfare available to farmers, I'd assume every state has it.

Have you ever used any of these kind of programs? Like getting a drought check from the ASCS office to compensate for the effects on cattle? Or CRP checks. IMO, these are the same category of program.

The only program I have used is the CAIP.

We need a response. I thought somewhere in the back of my memory you said you got a drought check. Even a CRP check. How are those any different?

Give me a chance to type of course I'll answer you.

 

[Bright Raven]

Have you ever used any of these kind of programs? Like getting a drought check from the ASCS office to compensate for the effects on cattle? Or CRP checks. IMO, these are the same category of program.

The only program I have used is the CAIP.

We need a response. I thought somewhere in the back of my memory you said you got a drought check. Even a CRP check. How are those any different?

Give me a chance to type of course I'll answer you.

Vince. I forgive you. I am a tolerant man. I cannot judge you harshly for taking government handouts when I have done the same thing. None of us are without sin.

If you need a friend right now, feel free to contact me. It is times like this when you learn who your friends really are!

 

[Bright Raven]

Georgia has cost share, subsidies and welfare available to farmers, I'd assume every state has it.

Have you ever used any of these kind of programs? Like getting a drought check from the ASCS office to compensate for the effects on cattle? Or CRP checks. IMO, these are the same category of program.

The only program I have used is the CAIP.

Personally no I haven't, but my wife took a drought payment. So that definitely makes me a government teat sucker also. We pay more in taxes than I think we'd ever get back in subsidies.

Now this is testing my forgiveness! Throwing your sweet wife under the bus. Shame on you.

 

[True Grit Farms]

Have you ever used any of these kind of programs? Like getting a drought check from the ASCS office to compensate for the effects on cattle? Or CRP checks. IMO, these are the same category of program.

The only program I have used is the CAIP.

Personally no I haven't, but my wife took a drought payment. So that definitely makes me a government teat sucker also. We pay more in taxes than I think we'd ever get back in subsidies.

Now this is testing my forgiveness! Throwing your sweet wife under the bus. Shame on you.

I'm calling it like I see it.

 

[Bigfoot]

Imho, receiving tobacco settlement money is in no way comparable to the crp program, or drought assistance. Crp and drought assistance are tax dollars. CAIP money is from the tobacco companies. I'm just not seeing how taking CAIP money is freeloading. I have gotten my fair share, but I haven't applied the 3 go arounds.

CRP imho is welfare. Drought assistance isn't.

 

[Bestoutwest]

We need a response. I thought somewhere in the back of my memory you said you got a drought check. Even a CRP check. How are those any different?

Give me a chance to type of course I'll answer you.

Vince. I forgive you. I am a tolerant man. I cannot judge you harshly for taking government handouts when I have done the same thing. None of us are without sin.

If you need a friend right now, feel free to contact me. It is times like this when you learn who your friends really are!

Have we all not paid taxes? And some of those taxes have gone to programs we don't agree with, nor use, correct? So, couldn't you justify this as getting some of this money back?

 

[True Grit Farms]

Give me a chance to type of course I'll answer you.

Vince. I forgive you. I am a tolerant man. I cannot judge you harshly for taking government handouts when I have done the same thing. None of us are without sin.

If you need a friend right now, feel free to contact me. It is times like this when you learn who your friends really are!

Have we all not paid taxes? And some of those taxes have gone to programs we don't agree with, nor use, correct? So, couldn't you justify this as getting some of this money back?

Yes, it's easy to justify. And it's easy to look around and see how good we have it. No one owed me this life.

 

[wbvs58]

What affect is this program going to have in the long term to the seedstock industry? Could it result in an oversupply? An example is Ron who purchased initially through this program and now is selling through it, when the money runs out will there be an oversupply? I am not being critical of it as it is none of my business but that is just the thought that came to my mind.

Ken

 

[Bright Raven]

Give me a chance to type of course I'll answer you.

Vince. I forgive you. I am a tolerant man. I cannot judge you harshly for taking government handouts when I have done the same thing. None of us are without sin.

If you need a friend right now, feel free to contact me. It is times like this when you learn who your friends really are!

Have we all not paid taxes? And some of those taxes have gone to programs we don't agree with, nor use, correct? So, couldn't you justify this as getting some of this money back?

No, Best. I cannot find comfort or consolation in your logic. I have sinned. I feel like Jimmy Swaggart.

https://youtu.be/LxB6-HnXZEU

 

[Bestoutwest]

Vince. I forgive you. I am a tolerant man. I cannot judge you harshly for taking government handouts when I have done the same thing. None of us are without sin.

If you need a friend right now, feel free to contact me. It is times like this when you learn who your friends really are!

Have we all not paid taxes? And some of those taxes have gone to programs we don't agree with, nor use, correct? So, couldn't you justify this as getting some of this money back?

No, Best. I cannot find comfort or consolation in your logic. I have sinned. I feel like Jimmy Swaggart.

https://youtu.be/yWkVa-_sd24

Well, send me a check and I'll do my best to get your sin resolved with the big man.

 

[Bright Raven]

What affect is this program going to have in the long term to the seedstock industry? Could it result in an oversupply? An example is Ron who purchased initially through this program and now is selling through it, when the money runs out will there be an oversupply? I am not being critical of it as it is none of my business but that is just the thought that came to my mind.

Ken

I don't think it will be a major factor in over supply. But it certainly provides a good support for seedstock producers. I know a Simmental breeder that has sold over 300 bulls/heifers to Cost Share recipients since the program began.

 

[Midtenn]

Personally I vote end all government assistance. ALL. CRP especially is nothing but a handout. But I can't fault anyone for that because the money is already spent. Same with drought assistance. If $50,000 is allotted for a particular county it is spent by the government before anyone receives it , whether it's one guy getting $50,000 or 100 guys getting $500.
Tennessee has the same deal with cost share from tobacco settlements. Its a state program, not usda. The feds sucked the life out of us in the '80's when we could no longer count on raising tobacco. No market and no money to be made. I don't agree with tobacco companies having to foot the bill but I sure don't think the federal government should have waged all out war on private business and small farmers and destroyed people's way of life and source of income.

 

[True Grit Farms]

Imho, receiving tobacco settlement money is in no way comparable to the crp program, or drought assistance. Crp and drought assistance are tax dollars. CAIP money is from the tobacco companies. I'm just not seeing how taking CAIP money is freeloading. I have gotten my fair share, but I haven't applied the 3 go arounds.

CRP imho is welfare. Drought assistance isn't.

I see it the exact opposite Bigfoot. The CRP programs here state what you can and can't do with your land, and also give the government a right to inspect your property. Drought assistance is getting something for nothing. Any time you get something for nothing your free loading. IMO

 

[Bright Raven]

CRP imho is welfare. Drought assistance isn't.

I see it the exact opposite Bigfoot.

Vince we all have lapses of memory!

True Grit Farms stated:

What part? The subsidies, cost share, low interest loans, beginning farmer loans, EQIP, WHIP, CSP, CRP it's all welfare and food stamps under different names and titles.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111340&p=1453830&hilit=CRP#p1453830

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Zing!

 

[True Grit Farms]

CRP imho is welfare. Drought assistance isn't.

I see it the exact opposite Bigfoot. The CRP programs here state what you can and can't do with your land, and also give the government a right to inspect your property. Drought assistance is getting something for nothing. Any time you get something for nothing your free loading. IMO

Vince we all have lapses of memory!

True Grit Farms stated:

What part? The subsidies, cost share, low interest loans, beginning farmer loans, EQIP, WHIP, CSP, CRP it's all welfare and food stamps under different names and titles.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111340&p=1453830&hilit=CRP#p1453830

Where did I post that CRP wasn't welfare? I stated you were having to put something in, about like your fence project.
You sure do a lot of assuming.

 

[Bright Raven]

In a previous thread you made the following post stating that CRP is "welfare".

:?: True Grit can you elaborate on the above statement please?

What part? The subsidies, cost share, low interest loans, beginning farmer loans, EQIP, WHIP, CSP, CRP it's all welfare and food stamps under different names and titles.

Reference this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111340&p=1453830&hilit=CRP#p1453830

 

[True Grit Farms]

In a previous thread you made the following post stating that CRP is "welfare".

:?: True Grit can you elaborate on the above statement please?

What part? The subsidies, cost share, low interest loans, beginning farmer loans, EQIP, WHIP, CSP, CRP it's all welfare and food stamps under different names and titles.

Reference this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111340&p=1453830&hilit=CRP#p1453830

You must still be drunk, you can repost as many times as you want and the words are not going to change.

 

[Bright Raven]

In a previous thread you made the following post stating that CRP is "welfare".

What part? The subsidies, cost share, low interest loans, beginning farmer loans, EQIP, WHIP, CSP, CRP it's all welfare and food stamps under different names and titles.

Reference this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111340&p=1453830&hilit=CRP#p1453830

You must still be drunk, you can repost as many times as you want and the words are not going to change.

This is your statement:

"The subsidies, cost share, low interest loans, beginning farmer loans, EQIP, WHIP, CSP, CRP it's all welfare and food stamps under different names and titles." Quote True Grit Farms.

I read that to mean you are saying CRP is "welfare".

How are you reading it, Sir?