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i wanting to start a commercial heard of cattle with beefmaster and simm and maybe angus when i breed these cows should i breed to get black replacements or will red cattle ever come back because i see a lot of good red simm bull to breed to that do not coast like black bulls i guess the question i am asking is all this black just a fad or is it here to stay.
 
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Good red cattle sell as well as good black cattle. Iy seems like when you get the little bit less desirable cattle that color really makes a difference.

dun

> i wanting to start a commercial
> heard of cattle with beefmaster
> and simm and maybe angus when i
> breed these cows should i breed to
> get black replacements or will red
> cattle ever come back because i
> see a lot of good red simm bull to
> breed to that do not coast like
> black bulls i guess the question i
> am asking is all this black just a
> fad or is it here to stay.
 
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Anonymous

colors come and go. demand for quality stays the same.

if all calves were black there would still be superior ones and inferior ones.
 
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Anonymous

The demand for black cattle is really a demand for Angus traits. If you pay attention to carcass traits and get cattle that will yield enough red meat while marbling, you have done your job.

Of course while looking for carcass traits you can't sacrifice any other important trait. Single trait selection even for color will lead to problems.

Calling the current demand for black a fad, is really not accurate, it is a market driven demand, Black Angus are currently the most likely to have a saleable carcass.

I had a conversation with a packer buyer yesterday, and he said they were getting flooded with undermarbled carcasses because the price was favorable to the feedlots selling lighter weight cattle. He said they can't sell these undermarbled carcasses very easily. The demand isn't there. The soloution? Discount cattle on the rail according to their grade, and live cattle need to be bought according to generalities in breed, generally Angus out marble anything else.

Jason Trowbridge Southern Angus Farms Alberta Canada

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Anonymous

The current price spread between Choice and Select is the highest it's been in a while, over $14 cwt. It will likely get higher as cattle spend less time on feed. I think the demand for gentics that marble will continue to grow.

> The demand for black cattle is
> really a demand for Angus traits.
> If you pay attention to carcass
> traits and get cattle that will
> yield enough red meat while
> marbling, you have done your job.

> Of course while looking for
> carcass traits you can't sacrifice
> any other important trait. Single
> trait selection even for color
> will lead to problems.

> Calling the current demand for
> black a fad, is really not
> accurate, it is a market driven
> demand, Black Angus are currently
> the most likely to have a saleable
> carcass.

> I had a conversation with a packer
> buyer yesterday, and he said they
> were getting flooded with
> undermarbled carcasses because the
> price was favorable to the
> feedlots selling lighter weight
> cattle. He said they can't sell
> these undermarbled carcasses very
> easily. The demand isn't there.
> The soloution? Discount cattle on
> the rail according to their grade,
> and live cattle need to be bought
> according to generalities in
> breed, generally Angus out marble
> anything else.

> Jason Trowbridge Southern Angus
> Farms Alberta Canada
 
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Anonymous

> The demand for black cattle is
> really a demand for Angus traits.
> If you pay attention to carcass
> traits and get cattle that will
> yield enough red meat while
> marbling, you have done your job.

> Of course while looking for
> carcass traits you can't sacrifice
> any other important trait. Single
> trait selection even for color
> will lead to problems.

> Calling the current demand for
> black a fad, is really not
> accurate, it is a market driven
> demand, Black Angus are currently
> the most likely to have a saleable
> carcass.

> I had a conversation with a packer
> buyer yesterday, and he said they
> were getting flooded with
> undermarbled carcasses because the
> price was favorable to the
> feedlots selling lighter weight
> cattle. He said they can't sell
> these undermarbled carcasses very
> easily. The demand isn't there.
> The soloution? Discount cattle on
> the rail according to their grade,
> and live cattle need to be bought
> according to generalities in
> breed, generally Angus out marble
> anything else.

> Jason Trowbridge Southern Angus
> Farms Alberta Canada i think you for the input so with me using beefmasters as my main breed should i cross with simm or simm angus, or just plain angus. would any of these crosses have enough marbling all advice is appreciated.
 
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Anonymous

To increase marbling definately use Angus. Now as to which Angus bull, or bloodline, you have to identify your goals and your current cows.

Milk will be an issue only if you are keeping replkacements. If all are to be sold you can buy low milk epd bulls cheaper but still get the other traits you need. Analyze your frame size and desired frame of the offspring, base the bw on breeding cows or heifers.

Start with bulls from above breed average on marbling and ribeye, and also on performance epds. Once you see how the calves perform, you can adjust up or down in any area that needs adjustment.

Jason

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