angus bulls , thickness , with frame

[polledbull]

I want to AI some angus cows , i want to be sure to keep them as tall as I can( 58-60 in mature frame)6-6.5 FSC on bulls and still make them pretty thick , I like the SAV bulls , but I hear they could be short. I like SAV Providence ,SAV Heriatige . I used 004 Predominant and he was way moderate . Im open to other ranch bulls as well , I hear good things about Connealy bulls I am using EXAR Upshot and SAV Brave as well. thanks for any information.

 

[Jake]

If your looking for scale and thickness take a look at sitz upward.

 

[Jacob]

I agree with jake. stiz upward. I seen this bull at stud. He was really nice just to big for what I'm trying to do but sound like he could be a good fit for your operation.

 

[Son of Butch]

Here's a link to 14an0317 Poss Total Impact 745 reg# 15885405 for your consideration. [yh edp in top 15% and DDF]

http://www.accelgen.com/catalog/semen-b ... mpact-745/

 

[bse]

best group i had that push the scales is WMR Timeless 458 http://accelgen.com/catalog/semen-beef/ ... eless-458/ ive seen several of his first calving daughters also there gonna milk fine and have the growth.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

best group i had that push the scales is WMR Timeless 458 http://accelgen.com/catalog/semen-beef/ ... eless-458/ ive seen several of his first calving daughters also there gonna milk fine and have the growth.

weak legs.. did you see his left front give out from under him :cowboy:

 

[bse]

seen that dog scare him is that what your talking about

 

[ALACOWMAN]

seen that dog scare him is that what your talking about

no, he got a little to close to the hot wire ... :cowboy:

 

[Jake]

If your not worried about birth weight I would look at SAV Rito 9969 he may not have quite the frame you want but the power and thickness is there. I'm trying to think of more that I would suggest but I'm drawing a blank.

 

[bse]

Alacowman i believe you are right i seen the jump and what looks like a dog towards the truck but i think the fence did get him after watching again i need to pay more attention

 

[ALACOWMAN]

Alacowman i believe you are right i seen the jump and what looks like a dog towards the truck but i think the fence did get him after watching again i need to pay more attention

just going on,, but some folks will see something like that and run with it ;-)

 

[cow pollinater]

I'd like to know why you're so concerned with the big frame.

 

[LazyARanch]

best group i had that push the scales is WMR Timeless 458 http://accelgen.com/catalog/semen-beef/ ... eless-458/ ive seen several of his first calving daughters also there gonna milk fine and have the growth.

weak legs.. did you see his left front give out from under him :cowboy:

FWIW I think he's a little too straight in his shoulders.... :2cents:

 

[BC]

I'd like to know why you're so concerned with the big frame.

What is big about a frame 6 animal? A frame 6 steer should be about 1300 lbs at 0.5 inch back fat.

 

[KNERSIE]

best group i had that push the scales is WMR Timeless 458 http://accelgen.com/catalog/semen-beef/ ... eless-458/ ive seen several of his first calving daughters also there gonna milk fine and have the growth.

weak legs.. did you see his left front give out from under him :cowboy:

FWIW I think he's a little too straight in his shoulders.... :2cents:

A straight shouldered bull (to the point where it's a concern) cannot carry his head as high as he does. He doesn't have the longest gait, but its probably more due the stiffness due to management than real structural issues.

 

[polledbull]

i just know that if you dont work on keeping them pretty them tall they will get short on there on , and alot of bulls out there are pretty moderate now , and I cant sell 5 frame score bulls in NC. I have had to many as well that simply just would not grow like I wanted .I would like to bred to as powerful as angus genetics as I can find and see how they do , I have some pretty good angus cows

 

[ALACOWMAN]

i just know that if you dont work on keeping them pretty them tall they will get short on there on , and alot of bulls out there are pretty moderate now , and I cant sell 5 frame score bulls in NC. I have had to many as well that simply just would not grow like I wanted .I would like to bred to as powerful as angus genetics as I can find and see how they do , I have some pretty good angus cows

so your saying they have the power to down size their frame size.. by bypassing their genetic makeup ?

 

[Son of Butch]

Here's a $20 Select Sires bull 7an301 Alcoa New Standard.
He's DDF top 5% yh 25% cw and average or slighty better for calving ease.
http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.ph ... =114&id=56

What do you think of 7an306 Werner War Party?
A friend is having his 1st bull sale this December and has some War Party sons.
http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.ph ... =114&id=60

 

[polledbull]

alacowman , im not sure I even want to try to answer your loaded question , I have bred cattle for 30 years , and over time they will moderate if you dont keep a check on frame size , the industry has moved that way, and i was in a meeting just the other day sponsored by by a large feeder calf buying co. and a angus rep there talked alot about the top reason for dockage in feeder cattle was being short cattle, I dont want my cattle extreme ,I just dont want to order semen off bulls to find out they are a mature frame off a 5 or a 54 in mature bull,

 

[ALACOWMAN]

ive seen a inbred herd do that... but one that is managed regular i aint..i been reducing my frame size the last few years and unless you go to extremes.. it dont happen over night..and i wouldnt want it to......trainwreck