And she does it again....

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We have a pretty nice cow, Summer, who is a grand daughter to the great Summer Sister cow. She is an 09, and to date has had 7 calves! I felt inclined to share her amazing story...
As a two year old, Summer had a heifer calf sired by Ellington Dominator. That calf died for unknown reasons (vet could not determine) at about 11 days of age. The day she lost her calf, one of our other cows, Bling, had twinned. We decided to take the freemartin heifer off Bling and let Summer raise it, so she can figure out how to do her job. Summer loved that freemartin heifer like her own, and she weaned off pretty big. Summer was AI bred to Rendition for the following year. In 2012, Summer produced a nice twin set of red bulls. The vet was called, since Summer was not progressing and I was a bit concerned. He pulled two identical twins from her and she raised them both, on her own. I have pictured them on here before. They weaned off at just under 600 pounds each, and she was bred back, AI, to Final Cut. At 70 days, we had her ultrasounded, and the vet confirmed she was carrying just one calf, and it was a bull. So, when 2013 calving season hit, imagine our surprise when Summer again had TWIN identical bull calves. This time we lost them, since we were not expecting twins we were not watching her closely. She went into labor, and the calves were breech. We pulled both out with the jack, and both were dead. Each calf was 60 pounds. So this year, we just decided to be prepared. I thought she looked huge, and when our vet was out two weeks ago to do our herd health check I had her checked. Vet said he could only feel one calf, and the size was normal and the calf was in position so he thought just one. While Ron was here visiting, he saw the changes take place in Summer, her bag filling and lots of her plug was lost. Her due date was Nov 8th, so I was hoping she would hold off until we returned from the Royal. Last night, I was sure she was in early labor, since she was sniffing ALL of the fall babies, and her tail was cocked and she was acting nervous. I checked her before bed, and same thing.
So this morning, I went out there right at 7, and found her placental membranes hanging. I sat and watched for about 5 minutes, and she was extremely nervous, walking everywhere and sniffing the ground. I was able to sneak up behind her and feel the foot just inside her vulva, and it was heading the right direction (so no breech this time!). I decided to give her a little more time and went up to the barn to get the chains just in case. I came back down, and she was still pacing. She finally layed down in the corner of the pasture and started to push. Here is the pic I took:
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After several minutes and not much progression (just the head and a foot was all I could see), I decided to get a closer look. There was only ONE foot present! I put a chain around the foot outside, and ran my hand inside to see if the other was right there. Nothing. Summer got up at this point, so I had better access to her now. I ran my arm all the way up and in, and still no foot. I pushed the calf back in (I knew it was alive still, because it brought it's tongue in and out while she was pushing). The second front leg was laying against the calf's belly! So I pushed the calf all the way back in, and still could not get ahold of the second leg. I had to take off my Carhart jacket (it is COLD and WINDY out here today!), and throw it to the ground. Summer started licking it aggressively. It kept her distracted enough I got the second leg, worked it forward and twisted it around so I could get it over the pelvis! I put the chain on the second front leg, and pulled. The calf slipped right out, while she was standing, until we got to the hips. Then nothing! I ended up twisting the calf around to get the hips unlocked, and the calf just slipped right out. By this time Summer swings around and gives me the evil eye, so I remove the chains quickly and get out of the way (not before checking the sex, of course! A heifer!!!). I sat back down several feet away on the 4 wheeler, and watched. That calf was not huge, but not small (we will weigh later today, but I would guess lower 70's to mid-70's). And it was wet so hard to determine size. I decided with Summer's history of having twins, I would go back in and check. I slipped in behind her and ran my arm inside, and guess what I found???? Calf number 2!!! Ugh, not again. I went back to the bike, grabbed the chains, and went after that calf. Summer was busy cleaning calf number one, so I ran my hand in and grabbed the first limb I could find; A back leg, great (and tons of fluid that flew out and saturated my pants and shirt... did I mention it is COLD and WINDY out here today?)! I put a chain on the foot, and went back in for a second leg. That one was harder to get, since it was so deep inside still. But, I got it, and put a chain on it and pulled. That calf flew right out, thankfully, and I drug her around to the front so Summer could bond with her also.
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So, two heifers, and I am pretty sure they are identical again. Looks like one sack, but I got so cold waiting that I headed back up as soon as I saw both suckle the cow.
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Yes, we are lucky and God is good to us! This cow has had 7 calves and is only 5 years old.
 
Congrats. I ahte twins but it's neat when they're both the same gender and they both live!
 
WoW, that's crazy....not seen that myself but there was one cow (here in Central Ky) that was in the news back in the Spring that has had twins like 7 out of 8 years or something like that. Good luck with them (and her). I love your Simmental's..... I have a some here in Ky that I've bought at the North American, Ky Beef Expo and Hudson Pine. I've switched alot of my herd over to Angus but I've kept my best 5-6 Simmentals and breed them AI. They are so gentle & easy/fleshy keepers.
 
AllForage":1n9stbjw said:
Is it safe to assume the over incidence of twins is from the AI hormones?

What do you mean "AI hormones"? We only breed on natural heats, so no hormones are given to our girls :D I just think she has a propensity for splitting an embryo. I talked with her original breeder, and he said that NONE of the cows from her line have twinned, so just a fluke thing that she seems to like to do that.
And, this set of twins is the first calves from our good Steel Force embryo bull we raised this year and sold, so natural calves for her. We were hoping to get an idea on birth weight on his calves, but this one will not be a good comparison! Our next calf by him is due the 14th, so a few more weeks to see.
 
Nice work getting that first calf out and then checking for the twin!! Next time though (and with this cow it sounds like there is a good chance there will be a next time), put something else in your subject line to keep the anticipation/suspense going throughout the story! :) Haha! Quite the exciting (and cold and windy) morning!
 
You have been truly blessed. What a wonderful story! Plus a terrific cow!
 
Congratulations, Kris. You are amazing. ;-) I have been waiting for news on Summer. I saw your first text picture this morning with a great deal of disappointment. I thought you had two dead calves and I knew you were going to be hurt. I was relieved when I saw the next picture of the calves standing. :clap: For the record, I bought Margo from Kris this fall and Margo is also bred to FSSR Steel. I have been waiting for news on Summer's calf to get some data on where Steel rates on calving ease. Not sure that twins is a good data point.

BTW: That is the same spot that Bling had her calf while I was there, along that property line but maybe you got them in the next grazing paddock!

AllForage, your question about the influence of hormones was under the assumption that Kris synchronizes her cows for AI service. Since she AIs on natural observed heats, it is as natural as a pasture bred cow with the exception that the semen has been frozen. I realize that is a statement of the obvious. What I have wondered is whether there is a higher incidence of deformation due to the freezing. But it is a recognized biological concept that nature is effective at eliminating deformities as aborted embryos.
 
inyati13":zpfg9u5a said:
AllForage":zpfg9u5a said:
Oh gotcha, maybe I am wrong in thinking that synching can lead to a slight over ovulation.

AllForage, she does not synchronize!!! There is absolutely no hormones used! I do it the same way.


Yeah I read her response. That's what the gotcha was for. Jeeeesh
 
We had cow (heidi) that did the same thing, 3 times in a row, but did it 2 months too early each time, She did however always adopt another calf. The first year she did it, 2 of her maternal relatives did it too (in a herd of only 18 cows).. The first one calved a little early, and died of unknown causes after a couple days suddenly, we gave the twin bulls to a neighbor who calves out earlier and had some wet cows.. The second cow only wanted one of the twin heifers, so Heidi adopted the other twin and did a good job of raising it. The other twin that was raised by her real mother we kept as a replacement, still have her, and after 6 calves has never had a twin. I doubt I'll be keeping anything from her though, she raises good steers but always fails at raising a nice heifer.
2 years ago I had one of my monster cows (Frame 8 and darned close to 2000 lbs) have a 110 lb bull calf.. she was in a mood of sorts so I left her alone, the next day she wasn't feeling well.. Guess what? another 110 lb bull calf in her, breech and dead unfortunately.. didn't figure for another calf in there with the size of the first one.

Twins are always so cute when they work out... I look forward to seeing how they do later on :)
 
Went back out at noon to check on them, and picked up the placenta. It was just one, with two cords, so identical. It does not matter to DNA, so we never do for natural calves.
We just weighed the little girls, one was 72 and the other was 61.
 
Hook":2ezwfrhw said:
Holy moly that's a productive cow. Good job going in for the 2nd.
Now the million dollar question since they're heifers....are you going to keep them with the twinning being an issue?

Not sure, we will see how they develop. I do not think it is a genetic thing, since no other cow in her family has ever twinned. They are purebred heifers, and if they are half as good as their sire and dam, they should be fantastic! So time will tell.
 
I think non-identical twins are genetically predisposed for having more twins (multiple ovulation), while identical twins aren't. That's my understanding of it at least
 

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