thanks for your help. I searched every website, every farm and ranch paper and dealer I could think of and nothing. not even a rusted out POS. Of course at dealers ya have to order a new one as they don't carry bumper trailers. Everyone has one and no one sells them. Even if your bumper hitch is lonely msscamp I bet ya won't sell it! I think I got a heck of a deal on a BossII trailer, I am not familiar with the brand but it has 5200# axles and looks similiar in build to a Titan, 2000.00 and 30 miles from home. A freind drove by and saw it in a yard that looked more like a farmyard than anything so I drove to it and sure enough he said he would sell it. Turned out I even knew the guy.