John Deere

[hurleyjd]

Russians stole John Deere equipment from a dealership in Ukraine. Deere was able to shut it off remotely and it cannot be operated. I wonder if you were financed with Deere credit and got behind with payments would they shut you down and till they got a payment.



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[Son of Butch]

Russians stole John Deere equipment from a dealership in Ukraine.

Ally propaganda, had Ukrainians stole equipment in Russia they'd report it as liberated. :)

 

[Nesikep]

Next is you'll have to subscribe to a plan that keeps you able to run your equipment.
You will own nothing.

 

[Son of Butch]

I wonder if you were financed with Deere credit and got behind with payments would they shut you down and till they got a payment.

Probably the reason John Deere developed and installed the technology. :)

 

[kentuckyguy]

Next is you'll have to subscribe to a plan that keeps you able to run your equipment.
You will own nothing.

I agree. I just don’t think I can ever bring myself to buy one of these computer controlled tractors.
If you bypass the regen 3 times on my FIL’s Kubota it cost $1000 for the dealer to come hook the computer up to it and get it out of limp mode.

 

[Son of Butch]

Next is you'll have to subscribe to a plan that keeps you able to run your equipment.
You will own nothing.

John Deere attorneys already say that when you purchased their tractor you are only leasing the technology and that you own nothing.

 

[Nesikep]

I agree. I just don’t think I can ever bring myself to buy one of these computer controlled tractors.
If you bypass the regen 3 times on my FIL’s Kubota it cost $1000 for the dealer to come hook the computer up to it and get it out of limp mode.

my newest tractor is a 1983 for good reason... I can fix anything on it

I think it's Toyota that started using a subscription model for extras on the vehicle.. like heated seats, nav, etc...

 

[callmefence]

Been looking at new skid steer
Not only can you tell where it is you can shut it down with your phone. For something left on a job I like it
If jd wants to use it on people who don't pay their bills
Good for them.

 

[simme]

Ally propaganda, had Ukrainians stole equipment in Russia they'd report it as liberated. :)

Not sure who would want a Russian tractor.

 

[Brute 23]

My Chevrolet truck is already like that as are a lot of vehicles. Chevy and Onstar both have access.

They can link in to the computer and make updates, changes, and see parameters at any time.

 

[simme]

Russians stole John Deere equipment from a dealership in Ukraine. Deere was able to shut it off remotely and it cannot be operated. I wonder if you were financed with Deere credit and got behind with payments would they shut you down and till they got a payment.

They make the real money when a code appears on the screen and only they can diagnose and maybe fix it. May take a few "fixes" before it is really fixed. Very expensive to own a new tractor after about 1000 hours. They can hook up a laptop and some guy a thousand miles away can start the tractor and "work" on it. Minor problem that should not affect operation can result in derated (lowered HP) condition to maybe comply with emissions and encourage you to seek help. Often not a real problem, but a sensor that needs replacement. Pre DPF and DEF tractors bring a premium for a reason. Might be the way to go unless the Russians show up.

 

[Son of Butch]

Not sure who would want a Russian tractor.

We old folks are more than a decade behind in understanding the global economy.
John Deere has dealerships in Russia.

p.s.
MTZ "Minsk Tractor Works" is one of the world's largest tractor manufacturers with dealers in nearly 100 countries world wide and Belarus has sold a good number of tractors here in the USA starting back in the late '70s
Our local David Brown dealer (remember them?) carried Belarus as an economy tractor back then.

 

[callmefence]

They make the real money when a code appears on the screen and only they can diagnose and maybe fix it. May take a few "fixes" before it is really fixed. Very expensive to own a new tractor after about 1000 hours. They can hook up a laptop and some guy a thousand miles away can start the tractor and "work" on it. Minor problem that should not affect operation can result in derated (lowered HP) condition to maybe comply with emissions and encourage you to seek help. Often not a real problem, but a sensor that needs replacement. Pre DPF and DEF tractors bring a premium for a reason. Might be the way to go unless the Russians show up.

I've got both and i.consider the def to be more trouble free than the diesel Regen machines

 

[D2Cat]

I've got both and i.consider the def to be more trouble free than the diesel Regen machines

Simme said, "Pre DPF and DEF tractors bring a premium for a reason." Note the work AND. He was not comparing DPF and DEF, he was saying pre- both of them!

For Kubota that would be the xx40 series of tractors. They are worth as much or more now then when they were new.

 

[callmefence]

Simme said, "Pre DPF and DEF tractors bring a premium for a reason." Note the work AND. He was not comparing DPF and DEF, he was saying pre- both of them!

For Kubota that would be the xx40 series of tractors. They are worth as much or more now then when they were new.

I was making a statement that I consider def the better of the two .

 

[Silver]

I was making a statement that I consider def the better of the two .

I would agree with that statement, although I’ve had my share of troubles with both.

 

[Atimm693]

We old folks are more than a decade behind in understanding the global economy.
John Deere has dealerships in Russia.

p.s.
MTZ "Minsk Tractor Works" is one of the world's largest tractor manufacturers with dealers in nearly 100 countries world wide and Belarus has sold a good number of tractors here in the USA starting back in the late '70s
Our local David Brown dealer (remember them?) carried Belarus as an economy tractor back then.

Key word there, "carried". Past tense.

Seems like not many of those imported tractor companies stuck around and supported their products. There's a lot of them sitting under the shade tree because you can't get any parts to fix them.

We have a handful of Branson tractors. Two out of five run well and are dependable, two more run but occasionally have overheating trouble (cracked heads patched with stop leak, good luck finding a head), and one is sitting in the scrap pile with a rod hanging out of the block.

 

[Little Joe]

Key word there, "carried". Past tense.

Seems like not many of those imported tractor companies stuck around and supported their products. There's a lot of them sitting under the shade tree because you can't get any parts to fix them.

We have a handful of Branson tractors. Two out of five run well and are dependable, two more run but occasionally have overheating trouble (cracked heads patched with stop leak, good luck finding a head), and one is sitting in the scrap pile with a rod hanging out of the block.

I've always been scared of the off brands for that reason. I know a guy that bought a new Montana tractor when they were on the scene, ended up having to scrap it over something minor due to not being able to get parts.

 

[Son of Butch]

Key word there, "carried". Past tense.

True.
But my point was both Ukraine and Russia have John Deere dealerships.
Simme was implying only Russian tractors were available in Russia.
We're in a global economy with technology available globally.
It's amazing to me the high % of 3rd world country citizens who have cell phones.

 

[Travlr]

True.
But my point was both Ukraine and Russia have John Deere dealerships.
Simme was implying only Russian tractors were available in Russia.
We're in a global economy with technology available globally.
It's amazing to me the high % of 3rd world country citizens who have cell phones.

It's too bad Russian tanks don't use ignition systems made for JD tractors...